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Old 29-10-2012, 17:19   #136
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I try to walk my mind through crisis events at sea and that helps me prepare for freak accidents and the what if's... It's a pretty good excercise and I find comfort when I am off shore because of it. Keep in mind, I'm normally on an unfamiliar boat for the first time moving her somewhere..

But swimming in a big sea way is a thought that scares me to nightmares.
This is a very bad image.. ugggh!
My last ship was 32,000 ton and not built in 1961 on a side budget for a Hollywood film, but can assure you we would not have set sail into those conditions. I can't think what the captain and owners were thinking.
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The thought occurs. Why? They had plenty of warning on this storm. Were they dead in the water before the storm? The video also adds a very good account of what SAR people go through to rescue folks. This is crazy if they were just trying to get to Ft. Lauderdale so they could make an engagement of somekind. If so, the corporation should be billed for the expense.
after boothbay harbor, they went to mystic seaport. left there two days ago and sailed directly into the storm. no way they could expect to avoid the storm. most captains of these oldie but goodie boats try not to stress the boat in any way unless unavoidable. so it just does not make sense. and evidently he was not under pressure from the owners. own decision. its darn bad about the girl.
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Old 29-10-2012, 17:21   #138
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The thought occurs. Why? They had plenty of warning on this storm. Were they dead in the water before the storm? The video also adds a very good account of what SAR people go through to rescue folks. This is crazy if they were just trying to get to Ft. Lauderdale so they could make an engagement of somekind. If so, the corporation should be billed for the expense.
Ya don't charge for public services due to negligence.

It is akin to saying, "Bob started the grease fire on the stove so he should pay for the fire department visit."

That's not how our deal with our government works.

For whatever reason this ship went to sea (we may never know) thank God for the USCG and the brave crews that pilot their birds.
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???? You have some weird ideas. Conners should have committed ritual suicide for losing a SPORTING EVENT!???

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Old 29-10-2012, 17:26   #140
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its not so much the cold water, but the inability to breath. there is about a one foot layer of supersaturated air(think foam) that is impossible to breath without drowning in the stuff. the suits really need to have some type of compressed air helmets so one can breath for several hours. a recycling unit would be superb. think the survival time is about 6 hours in a gumby in about 50 degree(f) seas.

Is why i wear a spinlock deck vest with spray hood attached. Rambler 100 owner said the hood saved his and other's lives when the boat lost her keel and capsized in seconds. Got thrown from the deck-my nightmare continues..
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Old 29-10-2012, 17:40   #141
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Re: Merged Threads: HMS Bounty

Local news sources confirm that the Captain is lost at sea and the other missing crew member has been found, but was described as "unresponsive" which sounds like "dead".

Terribly sad.

And what awful conditions for a rescue. Kudos to the rescue crew.
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Ya don't charge for public services due to negligence.

It is akin to saying, "Bob started the grease fire on the stove so he should pay for the fire department visit."

That's not how our deal with our government works.

For whatever reason this ship went to sea (we may never know) thank God for the USCG and the brave crews that pilot their birds.
your a bit out of date, the government is starting to charge folks for rescuing them.
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Willard Bascom's booklet, Waves and Beaches is the perrenial favorite. It's out of print I think. Of course, Bowditch's American Practical Navigator is a wonderful resource.

When water depth is 1/2 or less of wave length the wave is classified as shallow water wave. A spilling wave is mostly due to bottom topography although certainly water depth comes into play. A sea state which features a current counter to moderate to severe winds creates short choppy waves. A warm water current of such inertia as the Gulf Stream running into cold water (varying salinity too) sets up steep sided wave crests with deep troughs of a very short wave length. The ratio of crest to wave (slope) can be 1:1. The saving grace of such a steep slope is the wave in such a sea state is not advancing in set. However, the wind may be sufficient enough to collapse the wave (spilling crest). in that condition the water is moving in the current and the wave crest "advance" in the wind. When the two forces are counter (northerly wind in Gulf Stream) there is trouble. Put this in shallow waters and there is danger.

When the mariner finds himself in such conditions it is extremely helpful to place a heavy oil in the water. Oil soaked clothes held inside a burlap bag is one way to accomplish this.
your partly right and yet dead wrong. use fish oil soaked in oakum and tied into a net. heavy oil will clump(tar balls). fish oil wont. all you need to do is reduce surface tension so giant curlers will not curl over your boat. keep the net floating at the upwind side of your boat so it creates a slick. dont need to oil the whole ocean, just around your drift. best used if your hoved to and not making way. oakum will provide a slow release of the oil. clothing will not( think washing machine). good luck.
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your a bit out of date, the government is starting to charge folks for rescuing them.
Does the Coast Guard charge for sea rescue? - Yahoo! Answers

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Probably for hoaxes but I could find no credible citation that the USCG would violate federal law and I could not find a citation that the law has changed.

46 USC 2110 - Sec. 2110. Fees - US Code - Title 46: Shipping - CHAPTER 21 - GENERAL - Id 22512074 - vLex

Specifically Paragraph 3...

"(5) The Secretary may not collect a fee or charge under this subsection for any search or rescue service. "
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Local news sources confirm that the Captain is lost at sea and the other missing crew member has been found, but was described as "unresponsive" which sounds like "dead".

Terribly sad.

And what awful conditions for a rescue. Kudos to the rescue crew.
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she died. yes. RIP claudene christian.
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Perhaps this isn't the moment for levity, but when I started typing "Bounty disaster" into Google to get current news, what came up instead was the Bounty cupcake disaster. I wonder if that's as bad.
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True Brad true. Most timber boats of her design do take on water. perhaps it was more than they could shift. But that ship is designed to take on a lot more than Sandy- which is big, but not overly powerful at a mere cat 1.

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NOAA's Cat 1 rating is 74-95 mph
64-82 kt
119-153 km/h
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Bounty crew member Claudene Christian is in critical condition in an Elizabeth City, N.C., hospital after being found by the U.S. Coast Guard on Monday evening.

An earlier report from the U.S. Coast Guard said Christian, 42, had died.
From that link that was posted above. The article was updated after 9 pm.
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