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Old 09-05-2010, 10:48   #676
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So, by Nancys or any other definition would Kiwi, Peter Freemans 1984 trip from Victoria, BC to Victoria, BC (with one stop for repairs in Santa Barbara outbound) qualify as a legitimate circumnavigation? He covered 26776 miles in 268 days in a homebuilt 32 ft boat without fanfare.Would his trip qualify if it was started and finished from Santa Barbara? His one stop.Just curious.
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If he stopped in Santa Barbara, California only outbound it violated the rule about the same port for departure and arrival. If he visited it also homebound, then it is maybe long enough, as Abby's journey (from Marina del Rey) seems long enough, but not with a margin. Depends on what route he had in the Indian Ocean. Best would be if he rounded the antipode 34S 59E.

For a stopping journey, Victoria, BC, Canada is so far north (about 49N) so it must qualify.
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Pictures are worth a 1000 words as to what you are all talking about.

A picture please....Thanks
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I won't quote any of the above offending posts, it all seems like sour grapes to me.

Fact: Jessica Watson a 16 yo girl has solo, unassisted, has circumnavigated the globe.

What can't the negative posters work out or accept?

Yes go on bring out the same old tripe, we admire Jessica but not her team or PR merchants etc: BullSh*t.

So put away your slide rules, calculators, excel spread sheets, wikipedia, your blow up world globes and tape measures, get off your collective backsides and take a good long hard look at yourselves in the mirror. Tell me what you see. In second thoughts don't bother, I think I know the answer.

When you actually go outside and do something, or better still go sailing and achieve something come back and tell us all about it. But for now can you please leave this 16 yo legend alone.
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please leave this 16 yo legend alone.
If she's a legend, it's only fitting that her achievements should be mythical...
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If she's a legend, it's only fitting that her achievements should be mythical...
Australian slang as well, but perhaps it's all in my mind.
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OK Thanks... that helps...but some of the stuff is still a mystery to me.

But I can see what you are all on about in that a true RTW would have to be larger then the circumference of the picture posted due to the fact of several continents in the way.

I ran a mile in under 6 min at the local track today...but I cut across the field at the 50 yard line on the last 2 laps....does it still count as a mile?........................I think not.
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Obviously a lot of people sailed around the world at various distances. If you want to make an equal playing field you could add to the other rules that a distance equal to the circumferance of the planet has to be sailed. Roughly 24,902 miles.
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SailNet: We know you had several knockdowns during the trip, but what do you identify as the low points, and the highlight of that experience?
Jesse Martin: The halfway point was probably both for me. The Azores, that was my antipodal point, I had to sail up there and back to make it a proper circumnavigation, and thatís where my family flew out to see me. When I left the Azores that was one of the low points. The climax and the anticlimax all together, sort of. The reason that it made it worse was that I was anxious to see my family but they were waiting for two weeks because I got slowed up getting there by light winds. And then we only got to talk for half an hour because they had to go get on a plane and go home, but I ended up staying in that area for about five days.

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Obviously a lot of people sailed around the world at various distances. If you want to make an equal playing field you could add to the other rules that a distance equal to the circumferance of the planet has to be sailed. Roughly 24,902 miles.
That is already the rule, however the question is how to measure it? Point-to-point like the WSSRC, or by actual sea miles covered, like Jessica? It seems the difference can amount to thousands of miles.

The agreed circumference is 21600 nm (about 24800 normal miles). Jessica's route is only 18600 nm using great circle distances, but at the same time over 22300 nm in actual distance travelled according to the GPS tracking.
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That is already the rule, however the question is how to measure it? Point-to-point like the WSSRC, or by actual sea miles covered, like Jessica? It seems the difference can amount to thousands of miles.
For racing purposes (and that's obviously what WSSRC is primarily concerned with), it would make no sense to use actual sea miles covered. You wouldn't measure the Indianapolis 500 based on the actual road miles covered, so that someone taking the outside track would have a different finish line than someone taking the inside track, would you?

Of course this isn't a race, and the WSSRC isn't making the rules anyway, so I don't see why distance should be a rule at all. If someone sails around Antarctica and then does a bunch of loop de loops until their distance equals the circumference of the earth, have they sailed around the world? Why bother with distance at all? Either sailing around Antarctica is sailing around the world (and walking around the north pole is walking around the world), or it isn't. Throwing in a bunch of loop de loops (or touching the equator a couple times) doesn't change that.

The only rule that makes sense is that you have to touch two points which are completely opposite each other. The antipodal rule which Jesse Martin said was necessary "to make it a proper circumnavigation" more than half a dozen years ago.

What Jessica Watson did was amazing. She's probably the youngest person ever to sail solo around Antarctica. But it doesn't equal the achievement of Jesse Martin. Give her a world record. But not the same world record.
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Mate - here in Australia next week we will give her the welcome and adulation she so richly deserves, and we and she wont give a toss about Monday Morning Quarterbacks
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Mate - here in Australia next week we will give her the welcome and adulation she so richly deserves, and we and she wont give a toss about Monday Morning Quarterbacks
Jesse Martin will be there to shake her hand, he is the 1st to acknowledge her great achievement. So why do the Monday Morning Quaterback persist?
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