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Old 03-05-2010, 07:55   #46
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first--to address markj --the lobbies have mor epull in this fascist govt than the people--lol they are paid by coirporations to do the corrupt things they do....we also pay them but they pay us no mind....lol cannot be changed easily--the biggest lobbies include insurance, oil an dama--LOL---so much for change in a non violent manner----wont happen.
i am not reaDING from printed news BUT GETTING FROM SOURCE..there are sources i have that are in the secret and top secret category--through familial connections in the business, as it were.(.i come from a looong line of engineers and smart people !!!).... at the scene and from behind the lines of those working there as well as the drillers forum. lol...the shrimpers and fishers work out of a marina wherein a friend is working. need i say more---yes, the federal pencil pushers ar ethe ones initiating the no work if no steel toed boots bs--lol---cya is a great thing to read in nyt and other sensationalist rags--i donot respect written news any more----is yellow and rotten. i find pout from immediate sources when i can or ignore it. i also understand the true definition of fascism. anyone believing we still have a peoples (LOL--this country was never set up for democracy, contrary to popular belief and propaganda lies--was a republic--of the landowner, for the landholder and by the landowner--LOL--has converted to corporation instead of landowner--is definition of fascism.)
so--now, instead of cleaning up messes, govt is sitting and arguing over steel toed boots--LOL----mebbe someone will set them straight as we run like scalded dogs thru the mobile bay and mississippi sound towards home port!
this has been a very eventful sailing adventure over the past year, now--and i would no thave missed any of it for the w orld. this part of thew nation is soooo gorgeous and sooo treasured---needs tpo be preserved and protected and cleaned as fast as possible so folk sare able to maintain the livelihoods and populations of this ingrate of a nation can still eat good seafoods...and drive theoir sporty cars and maintain their lifestyles they manage to glean off the livelihoods of the residents of the gulf states.
as foer th escenery and critters--yes is awesome--they need protecrtiton as well--but lets get real here--people have to maintain the area so these critters are able to remain in their breeding grounds and migratory patterns. without us they woul ddo very nicely i am sure--but as human beings, we NEED to maintain the area in as immaculate a fashion as possible. yes the critters arre cute--but so are the dwellings made by the humans who derive their living from this area. and the families who reside here. and the culture that has developed here. th ecritters of the sea arent as stoopit as humans believe--we are an arrogant breed---many of the sea mammals have iq's higher than ours--so have faith they will be ok.....some whale breeds have average iq's of 155---lol---our human average is faar below that!!!! we are somewhere around 90!!!!! lol...so--who is watching out for whom!!??
our best scalded dog runs have been escorted by huge pods of dolphins and their babies--has been awesome---wonderful as they seem to watch over our progress----this is an awesome world we are allowed to live in----lets keep it that way and lets try to keep our arrogance as a breed/species down to a minimum and appreciate the life and living of all around us without the extremism and radical attitudes we are capable of exhibiting. we are all interdependent.

yes--we use solar and wind almost exclusively---diesel to do tight corners and places the arrogance of humanity prevents strictly sailing--like into dockage situations and the work docks, of all places to ban sailing!!!! LOL!!!
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will no longer allow me to edit--sorry about the post whoring lol....:

my sources include my lineage--i vome from a looong line of engineers and smart folks--my father used to be close friends with oil company presicdents and cepos as he worked as a chemical engineer for a huge corporation in their petroleum chemicals division for many many years. is how i got to go to college without needing a scholarship lol...i CHOOSE not to read the yellow journalism and sensationalist print of any newspaper----i also do not believe in wikipedia, a fake encyclopedia made of entries written by individuals with questionable background and questionable knowledge--anyone can add to that blurb. is not reliable info. soooooooo------ have fun with this--i remember having dinner with big execs from oil companies and their families in their homes. lol... . DOESNT MEAN I BELIEVE EVERYTHING I HEAR , EITHER!!!!

CONSIDER THE SOURCE!!!! i know i do....
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Boats & the oil spill

I'm staying out of the political arguments contained in this thread, but thought you might find it relevant to talk about the impact of the spill on boats. One of our insurance companies sent the following message out to all clients last week in the FL/Texas/Gulf Area (they're not all bad guys!)

Dear Policyholder:

...... Insurance Company has been actively following news accounts of the ever-expanding oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico that is now threatening coastal areas in several states. Forecasters say changes in wind direction could see the light oil slick, which some news reports describe as an “iced-tea” like sheen about as thin as a layer of paint, making landfall as early as today.

As this giant slick approaches marinas, clubs, and boatyards, thousands of boats may be affected. Here are some suggestions to protect your boat:

If your marina or boat club puts oil containment booms in place, do not attempt to cross the booms with your boat. This will only spread the oil and damage the booms or possibly your vessel’s running gear.

If there is oil in your marina, refrain from running engines or other devices that have seawater intakes such as air conditioners or refrigerators.

Hauling out your boat will prevent damage, but as of press time it was not clear if these costs will be reimbursed by British Petroleum (BP). Due to the potentially catastrophic nature of this problem, if your boat is located in coastal Louisiana, coastal Mississippi, coastal Alabama or the coastal FL Panhandle through Apalachicola, and if you choose to have your boat professionally hauled out to avoid contamination, 50% of the cost, up to $1000, will be reimbursed under the “Hurricane Preparation” feature in the “General Conditions” section of your policy.

If the spill is sighted coming toward your marina or already there, call the BP Community Information Hotline at 866-448-5816 to make a report.

If your boat comes in contact with the oil, please call the ..... claims department. We are open 24/7 to assist you.

You are in our thoughts at .......Insurance Company and we hope for the best possible outcome in this situation.
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I'm all for that, and in total agreement. Two years ago, I converted a 1974 VW Beetle to battery-electric drive. I put over 10,000 gasoline-free miles on that car. Highway speed capable, drove it to/from work every day.

Want to know what happened to it?

I lived in a townhouse community and my neighbors didn't like the (small) charging cord laying across the sidewalk. The homeowner's association classified my car as an "electric power tool" that was not allowed to be left plugged in. With no way to charge it, I was forced to sell it to prevent the batteries from idling to death.

No good deed goes unpunished.

I helped work up a 94 Acura Integra into an electric car to be run in the electric car race in Phoenix Az back then. I also spent a few months there and learned a hell of a lot about electric vehicles.

However, one thing must be pointed out. EVs run on electricity not gasoline. All fine and good. But ask youself honestly where does the juice come from that charges your batteries every day? A nuke/coal/NG power station and occasionally a hydro power station. So while we are not burning gasoline per say, we are still contributing to the overall polution levels. Perhaps not as much but we still are. Unless you can charge your car off solar panels or wind turbines, you are still burning fuel of some kind with its inherant polution.

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After all this abuse of us in the oil business(I'm just a spouse of the evil oil worker) I think it is now required that all you whiners should be made to sit in a hot, dark house with no car privledges for a few weeks as punishment.

In the words of someone much smarter than me when questioned about a failure "It's just not possible to make drilling for oil 100% safe. We DO try to make it 100% safe. Sometimes **** just happens."

Oil is here and we ALL use it in one form or other. Unless you are willing to live a 100% oil free life style cut all the silly talk and perhaps skip FLYING back to Cali and go help them put out some booms.

You know already about the steel boot requirement. Get em and go help.

Just to clarify, this IS a disaster and likely to get worse before it gets better but all the shouting, name calling, conspirouscy building, hand wringing and recriminations are a pretty blatant misuse of a most prescious comodity........ AIR.

Money is going to be lost and money is going to be made on this deal. I hate the rich bastards getting away with one more penny of my money or yours but unless we kill and eat them all this stuff will continue to happen.

Did you notice how my comments went from mostly reasonable to down right silly.

Like some of our other contributors, you loose a lot of your credability when you get excited or perhaps angry about something.

I like reading what you say mostly and respect your right to say it but from my perspective a little more attention to your spelling and grammar would make it easier for me to follow your points.

For all those trying to understand the logic behind some government rules, give your head a shake. It's all one big stage play to keep you from noticing the theft of a couple of trillion of our dollars..............but I digress.................m
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... the collapse of the coal mine hasnt been compared to an atomic bomb blast in its destructive capacity, as has this disaster--get a grip on reality-- ...

Now come on, calmly think about this with me for a minute. To say that the effects of an oil spill are equivalent to an atomic bomb blast really does a disservice to any self-respecting nuclear warhead. If that's all the damage to be done by a nuclear bomb, then the concern over global nuclear armament is pretty much a waste of time. We could forgo star-wars defense systems, and just make sure we didnt let any super tankers get near us.

I think the real issue is to protect the environment for sailing and other outdoor interests, while recognizing the demand we all have for energy, and considering the sources from which it is most efficiently derived. Perhaps it is correct to say that you will be quite content with new nuclear power plants being built near your home port, and along the waterways you travel. Presumably you will be, as they have a fine safety record, they are subject to an immense set of federal government regulation, they exist all over the globe, and they are not owned by major oil companies. Oh, and, nuclear plants are very unlikely to be put on offshore platforms, so we got that going for us.

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I thing that really shocks me is that I haven't seen or heard a peep from the greenpeace people of similar groups.. I would've thought that this would be their time to take the world stage and start using this as a catalyst for their agenda... The worst disaster to date and nothing with them?!?! I find that very interesting..

Or, perhaps I haven't read the right papers or seen the right news, but I personally have not seen anything from the green side of the house..
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Pretty good.

And to all.

I don't know (because I don't and because I just make stuff up) but it seems to me that the action on the surface is not going to be enough. Why not a big dome and some miles of pipe to funnel the oil that is rising anyway to be collected at or near the surface from said pipe to tankers and taken to refineries?

Or some sort of large bags like the shape of hot air balloons. Hang over the "spout" and the rising oil will fill them and displace the water. When full, pull the end purse string and let it float up. Once up spike it and pump it into a tanker.

It seems to me everything is being spent on the surface and not being able to keep up or figuring out how to cap it. Well, in the mean time let them capture it somehow.

I know I am oversimplifying because someone will tell me how deep it is but hey, I have seen the videos and there are machines down there and I think some of them with arms could drape the mouth of a balloon over the spout and anchor it. I also think a bigger dome or pipe could work somehow too.

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Therapy, you should be down there right now! Your dome idea is now fully constructed, and will be on-site by next week... See, great minds DO think alike! As for me...with all the incredible technology the Navy / Coast Guard / Army has, you would think we own SOMETHING that we could send down to squeeze the **** out of that pipe!
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Ever think that maybe they are to busy helping out right now?
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I thing that really shocks me is that I haven't seen or heard a peep from the greenpeace people of similar groups.. I would've thought that this would be their time to take the world stage and start using this as a catalyst for their agenda... The worst disaster to date and nothing with them?!?! I find that very interesting..

Or, perhaps I haven't read the right papers or seen the right news, but I personally have not seen anything from the green side of the house..
Greenpeace, long an opponent of offshore drilling, sent a helicopter out to photograph the destruction. Here's one of the newest ads that resulted from that trip:
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Therapy, you should be down there right now! Your dome idea is now fully constructed, and will be on-site by next week... See, great minds DO think alike! As for me...with all the incredible technology the Navy / Coast Guard / Army has, you would think we own SOMETHING that we could send down to squeeze the **** out of that pipe!

Dang.

One night I forget to wear my tinfoil hat and they stole my idea I will not get the credit (this is now counted in billions right? ) for saving all.

If I got my cut all you CF members could go on a refit/outfit spree on me! Sounds nice. Send a note to the authorities so they can trace the idea tape back to me so I can collect. We all win that way. What do you say CF'rs?
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I shudder to think what will happen next hurricane season and subsequent ones. This stuff will be churned up over and over again and carried inland on storm surges. The only small ray of hope is the temperature down there, in that the bacteria will be able to work full time to break this stuff down quicker.
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Or some sort of large bags like the shape of hot air balloons. Hang over the "spout" and the rising oil will fill them and displace the water. When full, pull the end purse string and let it float up. Once up spike it and pump it into a tanker.
For what its worth this idea has been used successfully to remove oil from a sunken tanker off the coast of Spain/Portugal some years ago (november of 2002). The tanker Prestige started to break in half off Cap Finisterre Spain, and was eventually banned from Spanish waters. Salvage tugs pulled her SW somewhere off the coast of Portugal, where she finally broke in half and sank. Of the original 77,000 tons of oil, about 80% leaked out over a period of years. But what was left inside was removed using soft bags at first, later specially built aluminum shuttles. They were anchored over holes drilled in the deck, allowed to fill, sealed and let rise to the surface. This was at a depth of 4000 meters. About 12,500 feet.

Anyway heres the wiki on it. Prestige oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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<snip> But ask youself honestly where does the juice come from that charges your batteries every day? A nuke/coal/NG power station and occasionally a hydro power station. <snip>
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I know where the juice comes from. The source of that power can be changed. I can also make it myself. The next step was to plaster the roof with solar panels to offset the electricity I used for transportation.

Well, I sold the townhouse and bought a house near the water with no HOA to tell me what I can and can't do with my .56 acres.

Now I have to start all over again. Build another car, install the panels, etc. Good thing I'm staying in this house for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time.

It also beats the hell out of doing nothing and letting "perfection be the enemy of good, or better".
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