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Old 02-05-2010, 00:06   #16
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Take a look at this...First had account by some fishermen.

It was definitely a blow out.

http://www.mudinmyblood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6104
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t, the shore line is about to become black gooey gumbo, fish, birds and other forms of life are about to be slathered in fatal goo, regional economies of fishing, tourism etc about to be destroyed, and not one mention or comment here.

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No mention of the 11 oil workers tragically lost?, but this always seems to be the way.
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Between the the deaths of the oil workers and the effects of the oil, this will go down as a mega disaster... It is tragic and sobering... I will pray not only for the families of the lost ones, but for all who will be impacted by this catastrophe...
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Have you given any thought to temporarily finding another port? I would be mindful of the possibility that once into La. you might not be able to leave for a while for whatever reason.
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The Miami Herald this morning has an interesting article predicting that if a significant amount of oil gets into the Gulf Stream, then The Keys and the rest of South Florida could be in for a hard time.

As oil blob triples in size, Florida fears nightmare - Environment - MiamiHerald.com
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Have you given any thought to temporarily finding another port? I would be mindful of the possibility that once into La. you might not be able to leave for a while for whatever reason.
phillip needs to get his boat back home port--i am out of sin diego--am gonna fly outta here may 10 with bells on feets lol and boatkat is with me on that one--i love this area and i am sickened by the plagues that have befallen here---now is tornado warnings and continuing south winds to bring oil into katrina and ike devastated areas still unrelieved ------ this is majorly major and will the pumps in noo orleenz be able to function with oil contained within their mechanisms?? most engine driven things donot do well when full of crude.....this suxx bad i donot care about getting hom eexcept i need to save my own home --lol--wilbe done--i am concerned about the major and permanent loss to those who reside in th egulf coast areas and will not be able to support selves and the industries that will be dead and the ....... is mor ethan just wildlife involved in the disaster--is a total and complete destruction of this area by a negligent corporation -- the building of the rigs was riddled with corruption and the involved rig was not built properly--no capping mechanism was included in the build--therefore this uncontrolled spew will last for 2-3 months before being able to become controlled, with a flow of 500-25000 gallons PER DAY ------yipes....bp and haliburton are negligent and responsible for this blow out and need to acknowledge their greed - stemmed errors--which will not happen.
we will leave here tomorrow nite after the tornado warnings are lifted and run like scalded dogs on a suicide run to slidell---too bad this boat cannot plane--lol---we would make her do that to get there-----she is fast but is still a sailboat.....

this makes the fires and flooding in kalifornikation look like fly bites on the buttocks of the mangy dog.....at least that damage is reversible--this is not...this is permanent and forever plus some more time......i feel badly for the residents and the critters--more so for the residents dependent upon the critters for their livelihood.....this is their DEATH and they get to watch it come---sickening..

saber et alii--this is beyond the imagined unrealities of the immediate sailing future--lol--lets be real and face the fact that many many thousands of humans are going to be without source of income not to mention possible loss of homes and ability to find same--some will become underwater without any recourse as pumps in new orleans fail due to oil inside them--what do you recommend doing to assist the cleanup efforts in this??is each of our responsibility to do something to help those involved in losses----but yet no one is thinking beyond the loss of sailing ground!! wtf!!!! get real and get involved. now there are tornado warnings in this immediate area--and no respite from south winds....need north ones to try to push the gunk back to bp and out of the louisianna area--is gonna be in fla in less than 72 hours. bye bye fishing industry. bye by many things we take for granted. permnanently.

we have info from he industry and coast guard on unofficial basis and accurately presented without sensationalistic nonesense.....

latest news that is FOR REAL-- there are many many fishermen in the industry who want to assist in the booming and protection of this vast coastline, their industries and homes.... the homeland insecurity will NOT allow them to do this as they donot have steel toed boots. can you actually believe this!!!!!! this is laughable and ridiculous....
once this crud gets into the gulf stream, the atlantic coast and beyond WILL be affected by the crawling crud and homeless insecurity will not allow fishermen with an interest in saving their opwn and others' lives to help because of NO STEEL TOED BOOTS!!!!! freeking ridiculous.
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On a hopefull note:-
The UK have coped with two huge spills in the past, the Torrey Canyon in the sisties/seventies and another off the northwest of Scotland from one of the big tankers.
Both caused a lot of fouling of the coastline and considerable damage to bird life. It took a lot of people to clear up the mess gathering the heavy residual oils into bin bags for disposal, detergent spraying was discontinued because that dispersed the surface contamination into the water polluting the seabed. The huge bill went to the owners. Within a couple of years there were only residual traces left in the beaches and most wildlife recovered well.
There were attempts to set fire to the Torrey spill using Hawker Hunters to bomb the spill. Crude oil is very terry, non-volatile and extremely difficult to set alight. Not a risk in itself. Staining is hard to remove but a very effective anti-fouling, the smell will soon dissipate as the lighter factions evaporate off. There should be areas clear enough to sail most of the time except where particular harbours and marinas are badly affected. Live aboards will be worst affected, spare them a thought. Stuck in the smell with a boat that's marginally seaworthy and a shore job that worth keeping.
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The UK have coped with two huge spills in the past, the Torrey Canyon in the sisties/seventies and another off the northwest of Scotland from one of the big tankers.
Both caused a lot of fouling of the coastline and considerable damage to bird life. It took a lot of people to clear up the mess gathering the heavy residual oils into bin bags for disposal, detergent spraying was discontinued because that dispersed the surface contamination into the water polluting the seabed. The huge bill went to the owners. Within a couple of years there were only residual traces left in the beaches and most wildlife recovered well.
There were attempts to set fire to the Torrey spill using Hawker Hunters to bomb the spill. Crude oil is very terry, non-volatile and extremely difficult to set alight. Not a risk in itself. Staining is hard to remove but a very effective anti-fouling, the smell will soon dissipate as the lighter factions evaporate off. There should be areas clear enough to sail most of the time except where particular harbours and marinas are badly affected. Live aboards will be worst affected, spare them a thought. Stuck in the smell with a boat that's marginally seaworthy and a shore job that worth keeping.
was that sweet crude or the heavy nasty kind that is in gulf at present and growing more than anyone knows....this will affect the entire gulf and can affect areas up east coast and over to europe---this is the nasty crude that is used for asphalt and doesnot clean up nicely.
as the usa bureaucrats are stuck in the hua yoga position also known as pretzel , shrimpers and fishers in gulf coast area affected are disallowed from assisting due to not having proper STEEL TOED BOOTS..LOL.....so therefore they are not able to assist in placing booms to keep as much as possible of this gorgeous area from the major part of the sticky goo and slick.
have you looked at google earth and seen the geography and geology of the area?? are you aware of the tornado warnings and wrong directional winds pushing this crud to the entire gulf coast and into the gulf stream?? do you have any clue as to the impact on the areas involved , or are you merely interested in a sailing ground....lol....many are going to lose their livelihoods and homes and much much more due to this disaster---research and become well informed as this unfolds.
the negligence of bp to install the remote capping mechanism upon creation of this rig is a major problem--makes the containment of the spill impossible for as long as there is no way to stop the flow--which is currently between 5000 and 250000 gallons per day.--oops--i am not certain if is gallons or barrels, which contain 42 gallons....so you tell me what is going to happen--there has been NOTHING to compare to this disaster-not even hiroshima and nagasaki.....research the problem before saying it will be easily cleaned..lol...is a disaster of epic proportions. is presumptuous to believe this mess is containable within 2 months--is going to take over 2 months and possibly 3 months at 5000-250000 gallons(may be barrels) per day of flow before containment will happen.
nightmare or dream!!!????? not just liveaboards but EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL on this earth is going to be affected by this huge disaster of epic proportions. the results will not be known for decades.
anyone figuring otherwise is a selfish and presumptuously iggerunt fool. this is mass destruction caused by the corruption of bp and halliburton in their building practices and incredible greed.
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This is one scene in Act III of the Death of Louisiana

A much bigger tragedy is playing out here. Environmentalists have been concerned for decades over the below-sea-level corroding pipeline infrastructure of the Petro industry in So. Louisiana. The life of the US's biggest estuary is in grave danger from the corporate oil cartels and at this point, its future looks rather bleak. The knock-on effects of all this are unknown by most and perhaps by anyone. Below see the map of said pipelines with a legend blown up and the link to the original pdf map.

For those who still think mother nature can absorb all the toxins we can through at her, I think it's time to rethink. The cumulative effects are destroying the oceans and producing ever greater cancer and other health effects in humans, despite 3 decades of well-funded research into stopping it.
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The users of petroleum are as much to blame as the suppliers. Perhaps the finger should be pointed back at ourselves as well?
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I don't read the article about steel toed boots the same as you. It was a safety rule and in the end the fishermen signed up and took off.

Fishermen Ready For Battle Against Oil Spill - Louisiana Shell Beach

To look at this disaster and think nature is going to cure it is in my opinion - asinine. The prediction is that it will take two or three months to cut off the flow. In two weeks the amount of oil will exceed Valdez. My prediction is that when this is over, BP will be bankrupt, the whole gulf coast will be ruined for 10 years, and we the tax payers will be paying tens of billions for reparations and cleanup.

What is typical of an event like this is we still won't learn a thing from it. This is not an accident, it's a tragedy.
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In general, there’s not much to like about the Florida state legislature. But for 40 years Republicans and Democrats alike plus governors and the congressional delegation stood four square in opposition to near Florida drilling in the Gulf. The last moratorium agreement in 2006 set limits at about 125 miles from the Florida coast. This all changed in 2008 when Florida nut jobs joined the drill-baby-drill, modern-drilling-techniques-are-safe bandwagon. Had it not been for preoccupation with Florida’s budget disaster, proposed legislation to allow drilling within 10 miles of our coast would have easily passed.

But, drawing lines on a Gulf map doesn’t do you any good when something like this happens. The Florida panhandle is sure to be hit, and when this slick gets into the Loop Current you will see oil in the Keys and possibly carried by the Gulf Stream up the east coast.
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balderfreekingdash, mon--the bottom line of the greedy and corrupt bp and halliburton is the reason for this boom bang--only that....oh yes--and the prevention of cleanup by the homeless insecurity agency -- preventing the shrimpers and fishers from placing booms because they donot have STEEL TOED BOOTS LOL
btw--once into the stream, look out east coast---and how much farther does it have to spread because of idiocy and bureaucratic stoopidity.....no steel toed boots--GET REAL!!!!!!
put an end to corruption and greed and placing blame whewre it doesnt truly belong---it lies in thehands of the jacka** in bp who denied the need for safety and safety regulations--as those particular words are" not conducive to a decent bottom line nor decent productivity"..LOL....GREED AND CORRUPTION!!!!!!!!!
and when the homeless insecurity agency prevents the shrimpers and fishers from placing booms because of NO STEEL TOED BOOTS, ye must wonder what the hail is the bureaucracy doing interfering with the cleanup..... not one of those clipboard carriers is capable of real work --why are they preventing the clean up of this mayhem they themselves essentially created....they cannot possibly perform real work --is how they got the dang jobs in the first place--corruption and greed ......gimme a freeking break here----this area is a treasure of a place--rich in ways many have no idea--is gorgeous and is full of marine life--i should say WAS ..what is the impact going to be? no one as yet can possibly know.

when bottom line becomes much more important than safety, then isnt the users is the producers and their lobbies forcing up the price and driving safety to the back burner. boom bang boom...corruption and greed rule --is bloody OBVIOUS!!!!!!

is a damn shame this area will change dramatically before i am able to return.
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If you guys don't like the black ooze why dont you just get a government that will develop alternate energies?



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Transocean owned and operated this rig. BP hired them to do that. BP is now responsible for the clean up.

I do not believe it is accurate to say that this well did not have blow out preventers(BOPs). The rig was routinely inspected by authorities, and the drilling complied with regulatory requirements. Everything that has been written and otherwise reported indicates the BOP stack was in place, but that it failed to operate as planned and expected.

The consumption for crude oil is completely driven by the consumption of the products made from it. David M is quite right. The oil companies do not make us or anyone else use the products made from crude oil. "We" are the ones that complain mightily if there is a line at a gas pump, or if the price goes up $0.25 a gallon. People want more oil supply, not less - that is simply undeniable.

This Gulf of Mexico event is a disaster of great proportion on many fronts. Some damage to the environment and wildlife is inevitable. Lives have been lost. The aftermath will include reduced drilling, and new regulations, and the price of the oil can only go up. And it gives the environmentalists new and powerful ammunition to fight measures aimed at increased supplies of domestic oil and gas.

It is a very sad event. As was the collapse of a coal mine in W Virginia earlier in the month that took 25 or more lives. We would be discussing that here as well, except it didn't effect bird or fish life; it didn't effect the Katrina coast; it didn't get anyone's hull dirty; and the coal mine wasn't owned or operated by BP, or another international oil major. Nonetheless, the only reason that coal was being mined, and thus those lives were lost, is that we do actually expect the lights to come on, and the A/C to work when we flip the switch. We demand electricity, and we get very upset when it goes out.


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