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Old 14-07-2011, 07:39   #136
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He's absolutely correct. We convert oil into plastic which locks it in. When the oil become so ridiculously expensive to drill for then Plastic garbage will be worth it's weight in gold. Not only the gyres, but every land fill sight in the world, ever sheltered beach where it washed up. All will be valuable.

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But what will be the cost in energy to do the conversion? More than the energy released? Not sure I buy this argument.
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Old 14-07-2011, 10:10   #137
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Man Makes Machine to Turn Plastics into Oil
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Old 14-07-2011, 10:37   #138
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Your missing the BIG picture here guys . Trash is needed without it we would not need WATERWAY CLEAN-UP DAY, CLEAN BEACH DAY etc.etc. Think of all the T shirt makers out of business, not to mention the fact of get togeather after and eating hot dogs and beer and the chance to throw all those wrappers overboard with all the floating beer cups. So the next time you see all that trash think of all the jobs that are being saved, and next years clean-up.
just a little humor to the thread
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Old 14-07-2011, 12:49   #139
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Re: Human Slobs

Thanks for the link Salty Monkey, imagine having a small portable unit onboard (like the one in the utube video) and when drifting you ran up to some plastic, scoop up start the unit and make some diesel from the floating garbage plastic! Free diesel fuel, it can work for me!
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Old 14-07-2011, 13:07   #140
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Littering has to be one of the most selfish things humans do.....I just don't get it.....
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Old 14-07-2011, 13:21   #141
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Re: Human Slobs

....and yet it seems to not be tied to the 20th and 21st centuries. Instead, it goes back to the dawn of civilization, if not before.
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Good point so adapting floating plastic garbage into diesel fuel on board can be a rewarding riality thanks to my pre-historic fore fathers who paved the way for slobbing!
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It's basically a still, but I wonder how much energy you have to put in vs. how much comes out.
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It's basically a still, but I wonder how much energy you have to put in vs. how much comes out.
That's a good question. It's like the glass conundrum. I don't think there's any savings in recycling glass over using the raw materials because the cost in both cases is the energy used. Better to reuse then recycle in the case of glass but often inconvenient. Hopefully the process will become one that is practical.
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The Utube clip Salty Monkey refered to recon 1kg plastig garbage to appox 1L fuel and the unit seems like a 220V but no specs are availble.
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We can all make a difference by reducing our consumption especially where plastics are involved. Stop buying water bottles and soda in plastic bottles. Don't visit restaurants that use plastic ware or cups. Try not to buy food from the grocery that uses plastic. Ask for drinks without straws. Use wax paper or reusable containers for left overs. Use your buying power to make a difference, but most importantly reduce the consumption.
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Old 14-07-2011, 16:23   #147
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Re: Human Slobs

Obviously a proof of concept, guys, that needs further work.

If you think source energy is the issue in this contraption, remember for exxample that engines are inefficient so that extra heat could be trapped to facilitate this conversion. Also solar energy could drive the recycyle process. The source energy can be found in all sorts of host or alternative places than your wall socket.
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Come on - how about it everyone- lets have a CF clean up the world day?

Where ever you are - organise a clean up.

Photograph the rubbish and send it to the moderator of choice

The most full bags might even win a prize - Maybe a free burgee?????? (can the budget hold it?)

Imagine if all of us did it every year, not sure how many members we have but I know it isnt just me
I think it's a great idea, I can get a few people involved, and make a hell of beach day out of it.
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Old 14-07-2011, 22:15   #149
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Re: Human Slobs

Wow you people are depressing.

1. People are good. It's people that build the boats, ports, parties, and culture. The more people there are, the more of all of the above we'll have.
2. Plastic is good. It's builds boats, bags, airplanes, sails, and all sorts of awsome things that allow all of us to afford to sail, and do it as we wish.
3. These "disasters" will be taken care of. Humans are now aware of it, and they will do something to "fix" it. The question is what, and when, but I have full faith that it will happen. If nothing else it's clear that most of the developed world is far better than it was 40 years ago, even though there are FAR more people, and they live far better.

Don't be so depressing folks. You have to look to the better part in people, because it exists, and eventualy WILL win out. It just takes time, and faith on the part of the rest of us.
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But what will be the cost in energy to do the conversion? More than the energy released? Not sure I buy this argument.
My friend, you better hope it works. Other wise, life as we all know it will shortly become a very much more unpleasant thing. Diesel for our boats or plastic for our food wrap will be the least of our worries as the nations of the world fight over the last scraps. In that case, being at sea may be a very pleasant place to be, even if you diesel is now just ballast.

Actually that Japanese video appears to be onto something. The power used could be supplied by solar or other power. It doesn't have to be fossil fuel that provides it.

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