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Old 05-03-2016, 13:06   #31
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You are wrong about the access on a boat with open transom. The open transom is not at water level and you would not manage to go up the same way you would not manage to go up a marina pontoon if you fell on the water, unless there is a stair.

They are at about the same level, maybe the pontoon a bit lower. That is on my boat that is a performance one. On main market cruising boats or bigger boats with open transoms the cockpit deck and the open transom is much higher.
Easy Peasy Polux..
Grab the scoop.. pull up then drop ones body till arms fully stretched, head submerged, then pull up combined with a strong scissor kick will lift you to hip height.. and your on
This Beneteau 331 I owned, I never Needed a ladder.. but being lazy I used it.
I'm 6ft1" tall, fittish and 70kilos.. these kids are stronger, faster and fitter than me
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Re: German killed this morning, St Vincent

You guys remember that movie where the two couples jumped off the boat and couldn't get back on?
Mine is like that, I added and emergency ladder in a bag, cause if I fell off even at anchor, I know I couldn't get back on.
I'd like to see someone that could.
Anchor chain, maybe, but I bet that would wake me up.


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Re: German killed this morning, St Vincent

You are deluding yourself if you think some 18 year old local can't pull himself up on your boat -- it is easier than running up a coconut tree to grab a coconut.
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Jedi figured boatman is far away enough to risk buying a new bottle

We also had that Spanish pirate who killed people in Portobelo and San Blas for their boats... killed a good friend of mine... and almost managed to disappear into the Darien. Caught him though and he's rotting in jail now.
Bloody hell....and I want to go sailing!?!?
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Easy Peasy Polux..
Grab the scoop.. pull up then drop ones body till arms fully stretched, head submerged, then pull up combined with a strong scissor kick will lift you to hip height.. and your on
This Beneteau 331 I owned, I never Needed a ladder.. but being lazy I used it.
I'm 6ft1" tall, fittish and 70kilos.. these kids are stronger, faster and fitter than me
No you can't. Read what I wrote, make some internet search about boats with open transom and you will understand why not (I hope).
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No you can't. Read what I wrote, make some internet search about boats with open transom and you will understand why not (I hope).
I sail them.. they even have a rudder handy as a step..

Tell you what.. next time your in Portugal gimme a shout.. then anchor your boat and I'll get on board without a ladder.. maybe seeing will be believing..
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I sail them.. they even have a rudder handy as a step..

Tell you what.. next time your in Portugal gimme a shout.. then anchor your boat and I'll get on board without a ladder.. maybe seeing will be believing..
No, you did not look at the boats on internet and did not read my post. I was replying to this:
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But Polux.. every boat you've shown us as the 'Way to Go' on another thread has little or no stern.. and the 20+year old fad for easy access sugar bathing platforms make it a doddle..
First I never pretended to show anybody the way to go or the boat more suited to each one (and certainly mine is not suited for most) but I assume you are talking about the boats most use to cross the Atlantic, modern mass main market boats but your powers of observation are very limited since I only talk about new models and regarding those there are not a single one that has a sugar scoop much less an open transom.

On most of them, if they have their bath platform locked from inside (not dificult to do) you will not be able to access the boat from the transom leaving only the anchor trick that is not easy to perform and that certainly will make noise and motion on the boat.

Since you did not look at the boats on internet, as I sugest, I will show it to you. Very few will cross the Atlantic on a 30ft modern boat so let's look at mass production main market boats between 40 and 43ft, current models.

Bavaria 41:

Jeanneau 409:

Hanse 415:

Oceanis 41:


This is the sugar scoop of the 311, realy near the water and it is why you can access the boat from there:


Only performance cruisers have open transoms but as you will see they are at the height of the cockpit deck and the height of the sugar scoop of the 311 is 1/4 of the height of the open transom on those boats:
Grand Soleil 43:

Solaris 42:

and my own boat, the Comet 41s:

I am a good swimmer, also a spear diver since kid and I know that it is not possible to go up that transom without a ladder, not even close, believe me, I have tried...and you don't reach the rudder with your feet at least in a way it can be of any use.

Well , I have there a rope hanging that I can reach and if I forgot about the stairs (it had already happen even if my wife was aboard), if I make some support for the feet with a knot, then I can get on the boat, but only that way. I put the rope up at night.
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Unsinkable and unboardable. What'll they come up with next?
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"Undraggable" would be nice
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Re: German killed this morning, St Vincent

yeh pollux. Your opinions and information always makes me laugh. Tell us all again about the Beneteau rudder post issue. Easy to get aboard ALL of those. And most those boats also have emergency boarding means in the stern...
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yeh pollux. Your opinions and information always makes me laugh. Tell us all again about the Beneteau rudder post issue. Easy to get aboard ALL of those. And most those boats also have emergency boarding means in the stern...
Yes, your avatar too. Most of the boats don't have emergency boarding systems (as you can see by the photos) and even on the ones that have it do you think an attacker swimming as enough knowledge to find it? Anyway if you are anchored on a suspected place you can always dismount or disable the system.
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Unsinkable and unboardable. What'll they come up with next?
Not all are unsinkable, in fact few are. There are more with waterproof bulkheads at the front and separating the rudder from the rest of the boat but unfortunately not many as it would be desirable. From those that I posted several have forward waterproof bulkheads but only one an aft waterproof bulkhead.

Regarding making them more dificult to be boarded from the water it seems that this thread shows that it is an advantage even in traditional well known and explored cruising grounds. In fact the sugarscoop transom have many advantages but makes the boat easily boardable by swimmers. The transoms that are used on modern boats with large swimming platforms that close the transom provide the best solution for both problems.
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"Undraggable" would be nice
You have some peculiar tastes but I am curious about that particular one. Why do you wish an undraggable sailboat?
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There was a guy that put tacks on deck to surprise boarders.
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