Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooling

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Udacha

It's been amazing to me on this thread how the GW believers (non-scientist) argue and belittle actual scientist (non-believers)
I see a lot of graphs here supporting GW, but they only show the last 150 years, which is not even a blink. Here is one that goes back a bit further. The the little red part is the famous Hockey Stick, as you can see it is quite meaningless. If you actualy dig a little deeper and go back millions of years you will find that high co2 is a RESULT of warming not the cause.

Doesn't count because that's a regional record.

Originally Posted by Udacha

If you really want to get to the truth ----- Follow the MONEY

Here is a great video of scientist and professors explaining that if you don't follow the GW ideals you won't get funding

Does this mean unemployed dissenters don't get their papers peer reviewed and published in respected journals like Nature?



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[Udacha]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Doesn't count because that's a regional record.







Does this mean unemployed dissenters don't get their papers peer reviewed and published in respected journals like Nature?



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It is what it is

If you want to have a look at Earths past, you look at ice cores. If you want U.S. Government Funds and Grants, you tow the GW line

[Udacha]

Oh, by the way,, The ice cores would seem to indicate GM if you only look back 150 years, go back further and it does the opposite.

The same scientist that Al Gore uses in " an inconvenient truth" are the same scientist in the video

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by Udacha

Oh, by the way,, The ice cores would seem to indicate GM if you only look back 150 years, go back further and it does the opposite.

The same scientist that Al Gore uses in " an inconvenient truth" are the same scientist in the video

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by Udacha

It is what it is
If you want to have a look at Earths past, you look at ice cores. If you want U.S. Government Funds and Grants, you tow the GW line

What's ironic is that the it's all the rage to hate Big Oil, Big Coal, and Big Energy....but Big Government is your Friend and can Save us? Sorry folks, I fear Big Government far more than I fear Big Oil. Big Oil can't prosecute me if I disagree with them. Big Coal can't use the IRS as a political weapon if I disagree with them...but Big Government has he power to Tax, which is the power to Destroy.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Udacha

Oh, by the way,, The ice cores would seem to indicate GM if you only look back 150 years, go back further and it does the opposite.

The same scientist that Al Gore uses in " an inconvenient truth" are the same scientist in the video

I'm not an alarmist in any way, shape or form but to be fair that chart stops at 1950. And we've all had it drilled into us how temps are still heading north.

However, it is constantly bandied around that it is the rate of change that is significant. Usually accompanied by words such as "unprecedented" and the like. As your linked chart demonstrates, this isn't even close to being the case.

And herein lies the problem. One of exaggeration; because bad news sells and selling news is big business. This is why we get such things as Michael Mann saying 90% of the great barrier reef is bleached and dieing, papers clutching at straws to explain recalcitrant Antarctic ice and Nasa describing sea level rise as a modern event. Multiply that by the Nth degree and we get one heck of a scare campaign rolling.

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[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

And herein lies the problem. One of exaggeration; because bad news sells and selling news is big business. This is why we get such things as Michael Mann saying 90% of the great barrier reef is bleached and dieing, papers clutching at straws to explain recalcitrant Antarctic ice and Nasa describing sea level rise as a modern event. Multiply that by the Nth degree and we get one heck of a scare campaign rolling.

BINGO....

Add to that the Ethos of the "I'm better than you because I care" movement along with the need to be a part of something larger than yourself and you have the perfect storm that leads to the now famously debated Man Made Global Warming Cult (MMGWC). How did Jim Jones get 900 people to drink the Koolaid and Die...easy...not all of them knew that they were in a Cult...that's just it, those in a Cult don't realize they are. So that's where I come in. I'm happy to be that glass of ice water in the face to get people to wake up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVWsr2vqir4

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

BINGO....

Add to that the Ethos of the "I'm better than you because I care" movement along with the need to be a part of something larger than yourself and you have the perfect storm that leads to the now famously debated Man Made Global Warming Cult (MMGWC). How did Jim Jones get 900 people to drink the Koolaid and Die...easy...not all of them knew that they were in a Cult...that's just it, those in a Cult don't realize they are. So that's where I come in. I'm happy to be that glass of ice water in the face to get people to wake up...

And the irony is that it is advertising promoting consumerism that finances the soap box platform that many of these scare campaigners use to broadcast their messages of doom and gloom. The same doom and gloom resulting from emissions caused in good part by modern consumerism.

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[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Being an online moderator is a thankless job, I'm one for several other sites and it's a true dammed if you do/damned if you don't. So thanks for keeping us Children from playing with matches in the middle of the street.

Uh...Rich...hate to break the news to you and I'll put it as delicate as I can...you're one of those children...

Originally Posted by Going Walkabout

It's a shame that some who destroyed another thread came over to this thread to cause havic. The back and for the of discussion on this topic was healthy and even entertaining. Then came the trolls.

Ummm...same 7 people for the last six months. I guess it's just another form of denial.
I know you're the OP, even though you seem to have 2 entities here, but you have served up your fair share of negativity, blaming and name calling. Maybe it is time for this thread to end.
Even though Rich and yourself seem to think I'm with "the enemy", I have to play neutral on the topic. I'm not versed enough to know one way or another. So I err on the side of common sense and the case of "just in case". So I do my bit to try and make the planet safer for my ungrateful children. I have a conscience and need to sleep at night...good day madam.

[Udacha]

Another interesting tidbit is about CO2. We hear a lot about CO2 this in CO2 that. CO2 otherwise known as carbon dioxide is a non toxic gas that humans and animals expel while breathing and is considered a greenhouse gas. The stuff that comes out of your exhaust pipe in your automobile is NOT CO2, it is CO otherwise known as carbon monoxide and is a toxic gas but is not much of a greenhouse gas. Greenhouse gases are actually a good thing, there would be no life on this planet without it

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Uh...Rich...hate to break the news to you and I'll put it as delicate as I can...you're one of those children....

I hate to play English teacher with you, but the use of the objective pronoun "US" is generally accepted to include the person using the phrase....

Oh and if you are telling us that we need to limit our CO2 emissions just so you can sleep better at night, might I suggest an easier way that doesn't suck the rest of us into your emotional needs. Warm hormone free, free range milk with a splash of Rum. It's good for falling to sleep without the Trillion Dollar cost to the Economy and hurting the poor disproportionately.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

I hate to play English teacher with you, but the use of the objective pronoun "US" is generally accepted to include the person using the phrase....

Oh and if you are telling us that we need to limit our CO2 emissions just so you can sleep better at night, might I suggest an easier way that doesn't suck the rest of us into your emotional needs. Warm hormone free, free range milk with a splash of Rum. It's good for falling to sleep without the Trillion Dollar cost to the Economy and hurting the poor disproportionately.

Well Rich...I hate to give you a reading lesson, but I didn't say "us" or we. I said for myself but its a good thing you're not argumentative, right?
I totally invite you to do or not to do what ever you want. I'm sure no one has ever stopped you in the past.

[weavis]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

I totally invite you to do or not to do what ever you want. I'm sure no one has ever stopped you in the past.

Er... he is married you know... I think otherwise...

[SailOar]

Originally Posted by Udacha

Another interesting tidbit is about CO2. We hear a lot about CO2 this in CO2 that. CO2 otherwise known as carbon dioxide is a non toxic gas that humans and animals expel while breathing and is considered a greenhouse gas. The stuff that comes out of your exhaust pipe in your automobile is NOT CO2, it is CO otherwise known as carbon monoxide and is a toxic gas but is not much of a greenhouse gas. Greenhouse gases are actually a good thing, there would be no life on this planet without it

Your need to review your facts.

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates of average passenger car emissions in the United States for April 2000

Component --- Emission Rate --- Annual pollution emitted

Hydrocarbons --- 2.80 grams/mile (1.75 g/km) --- 77.1 pounds (35.0 kg)
Carbon monoxide --- 20.9 grams/mile (13.06 g/km) --- 575 pounds (261 kg)
NOx --- 1.39 grams/mile (0.87 g/km) --- 38.2 pounds (17.3 kg)
Carbon dioxide - greenhouse gas --- 0.916 pounds per mile (258 g/km) --- 11,450 pounds (5,190 kg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas

[SailOar]

Originally Posted by Udacha

... If you actualy dig a little deeper and go back millions of years you will find that high co2 is a RESULT of warming not the cause.

CO2 lags temperature - what does it mean?

[...]To claim that the CO2 lag disproves the warming effect of CO2 displays a lack of understanding of the processes that drive Milankovitch cycles. A review of the peer reviewed research into past periods of deglaciation tells us several things:

• Deglaciation is not initiated by CO2 but by orbital cycles
• CO2 amplifies the warming which cannot be explained by orbital cycles alone
• CO2 spreads warming throughout the planet

Overall, more than 90% of the glacial-interglacial warming occurs after the atmospheric CO2 increase (Figure 3).

Figure 3: The global proxy temperature stack (blue) as deviations from the early Holocene (11.5–6.5 kyr ago) mean, an Antarctic ice-core composite temperature record (red), and atmospheric CO2 concentration (yellow dots). The Holocene, Younger Dryas (YD), Bølling–Allerød (B–A), Oldest Dryas (OD) and Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) intervals are indicated. Error bars, 1-sigma; p.p.m.v. = parts per million by volume. Shakun et al. Figure 2a.