Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooling

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Oh I am...extremely open minded and positive.

See but what happens is that when other closed minded people (IE MMGWC) see the positive "we are all not going to die attitude" and true open mindless of not swallowing the Cult-speak it angers them because as we have seen with the Speech Codes on College campuses, the left can not tolerate opposing views or Diversity. The only diversity they want is superficial skin color, but if you don't agree with their dogma, they are quick to attack you as closed minded or negative, just as you have done. So thanks for the illustration...it really goes to help people understand how when the MMGWC can't deal with the issues, they go after the person. Well done...great and valuable lesson for the class.

Oh..I must have been mistaken from this positive worded explanation...silly me.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by conachair

That's actually well understood and called conformation bias, a good scientist would be very familiar and wary of this, remaining open minded to the wealth of evidence available and lack of alternative driving mechanisms. .

That's if he really was a scientist.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by jimbunyard

I assume you know it if this is directed at you or not.


de·lu·sion
dəˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
noun: delusion; plural noun: delusions

1. an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

con·fir·ma·tion bi·as
noun
noun: confirmation bias

1. the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.
2. The tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities

Dunning–Kruger effect


A cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.




"A study from 2015 identified 4,556 individuals with overlapping network ties to 164 organizations which are responsible for the most efforts to downplay the threat of climate change in the U.S.[93][94]"

So who in the room are members of 'the club'?



Meanwhile, the science advances and scientists soberly stack layer after layer of confirming evidence to the mountain already existing, while pseudo-skeptical deniers, agenda-less, hysterical and loud, cry out about vast conspiracies and unsupported (and unsupportable), illusory fears.



Do you suffer from CCDD (climate change denial disorder)?

or, for a more home-made perspective

Jim...I love it. You're my new CF hero.

Here's one back at ya...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O11_Ma20Rk

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Oh..I must have been mistaken from this positive worded explanation...silly me.

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

That's if he really was a scientist.

As I mentioned...I wasn't giving that scientifically understood concept away so easy, I was going to make him work for it.

But hey...do a US Patent Search...you don't retire at 38 and go Cruising by selling water makers.
Science Baby...precipitation of metal Oxides...that's why I'm here today.

Oh and I'm flattered that you felt the need to go after me with two posts in a Row..that means I'm really having the desired effect...bingo...mission accomplished.

But even if I'm a Bozo...how does that make the MMGW Myth true?

[Thorne]

Wait, Wait.....

I just read about a guy (at the front of this thread) who just finished preparing for the ZOMBIE APOCALYPYSE ....... and was horrified that now he has to prepare for

GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE ........

( you have to pronounce the bolded words in a very deep echo filled voice of doom kind of voice )

I have a question......

CAN ZOMBIES SWIM ...??????

If they can WE are all doooooooomed.

Oh, wait.......

if global warming/climate change happens they way we are being told it will we are doomed anyway.....


so,

Nevermind.


Let's see......


Ebola, Cold war, zika virus, bird flu, swine flu, pork flu, rabies, zombies, peak oil, depressions, recessions, EMP pulses, power grid failure, killer El nino, magnetic pole shifts, planet x, asteroid strikes, killer solar flares, cats and dogs living together....

Note; I added zombies to the list but that's just SILLY.

I was going to add hurricanes and tornados.... but I've actually seen those.


I should really alphabetize the list but I'm just too scared.


I'll just add climate change to the end, but you know it won't be the end of the list for long.

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by Thorne

Wait, Wait.....

I just read about a guy (at the front of this thread) who just finished preparing for the ZOMBIE APOCALYPYSE ....... and was horrified that now he has to prepare for

GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE ........

( you have to pronounce the bolded words in a very deep echo filled voice of doom kind of voice )

I have a question......

CAN ZOMBIES SWIM ...??????

If they can WE are all doooooooomed.

Oh, wait.......

if global warming/climate change happens they way we are being told it will we are doomed anyway.....


so,

Nevermind.


Let's see......


Ebola, Cold war, zika virus, bird flu, swine flu, pork flu, rabies, zombies, peak oil, depressions, recessions, EMP pulses, power grid failure, killer El nino, magnetic pole shifts, planet x, asteroid strikes, killer solar flares, cats and living together....

Note; I added zombies to the list but that's just SILLY.

I was going to add hurricanes and tornados.... but I've actually seen those.


I should really alphabetize the list but I'm just too scared.


I'll just add climate change to the end.

LOL. :big grin: You forgot to mention Art Belles shadow people. They are scarier than the zombies. Really sneaky monsters. Stay out of the shadows if your sensible. Be scared, be very scared.

By the way. I too am a real practicing scientist with a number of published patents. I also have commercial products I have invented that provide both benefits to society and to myself as a business person and scientist. Even now I am writing new important patents and have many more pending.

I take my hat off to you SV Third Day. Theoretical scientists sometimes get it right but usually just re hash what others have thought of. Not to many real original ideas come from these types. Applied scientists on the other hand who use science to actually conceive, create and build novel devices are my kind of scientist.

But what do I know. I'm just an applied scientist. Of course these theoretical teacher type scientists must understand things better than I.

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Jim...I love it. You're my new CF hero.

Here's one back at ya...

hilarious....exactly.

[adoxograph]

Sorry but ... really?

Praise the prophet of the climate change denier god vs I'm a true believer? Right vs Left?

Now we have reached a stage where this thread has become just plain stupid.

Go on just keep ignoring the data and discredit the science behind it. This shows how clever you really are.

Unbelievable ...

[SailOar]

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[SailOar]

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[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by adoxograph

Sorry but ... really?



Now we have reached a stage where this thread has become just plain stupid.
Unbelievable ...

Sorry but that stage was reached about 2000 post ago. I'm surprised the mods let it go on this long. No one would ever be able to convince me these negative, narrow minded thinkers had ever been scientists. Maybe as part of a team but never on their own. The other side saw copy and paste after copy and paste. Lending to attacks from their debaters.
The thing I see as truly incredible is how both sides seem to be a reflection of what is going on in the US politically. The two candidates are extremists themselves.
I like to practice the "just in case" rule, in my life...I "feel" there is a problem with climate change and man might have a large part in it, so I act "as if". Just in case I can make a difference, I recycle. Just in case my vehicle is contributing, I drive a 4 cylinder. Just in case following the laws to help the earth, I comply. I want my children and grandchildren to have a better life as my parents wanted for me.
This thread is really nothing but entertainment. I'm stuck here back in the states until October when hurricane season is over. I'm sure this thread won't last forever.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by GoingWalkabout

I usually agree with you but on this I can not. Carbon credits in fact are the tool of neo-socialists. Today's neo-socialists are yesterday's Marxist-Lenanist Communists.

Pricing carbon (taxes, credits, offsets) is using a straightforward market mechanism to produce a desired outcome. No different in principle from tax on booze or tobacco. Or tax breaks on oil exploration.

But yes there is already 'socialism' (of a corporate sort) in the pricing of fossil fuels. Fuel prices past and present have never fully accounted for the full cost of finding, refining, transporting and consuming them. It falls to governments and society to eat the costs for pollution and other negative outcomes. If you want to end socialism, end this government support for fossil fuels.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Pricing carbon (taxes, credits, offsets) is using a straightforward market mechanism to produce a desired outcome. No different in principle from tax on booze or tobacco..

Except for the facts that you don't need smokes or booze to live .
You do however need the products made with petroleum .
A carbon tax is just that a tax levied by a government.
Also you are correct it is no different than taxes on smokes and booze. A way for the gov to fleece the people and the people actually think it is a good thing.

[GoingWalkabout]

"Sorry but that stage was reached about 2000 post ago. I'm surprised the mods let it go on this long."

That's what loosers do when loosing an argument. Shut down the conversation. Kind of like the child who doesn't want to hear something and goes ahead and puts his finger in his ears and says lalalalala.

" No one would ever be able to convince me these negative, narrow minded thinkers had ever been scientists. Maybe as part of a team but never on their own".

Who are you calling negative narrow minded thinkers? Posters on this thread or scientists with contra views to yours mentioned. Precision of language in science is a much required tool. Now if your talking about posters here than I would think some people and their thoughts are getting under your skin. How unscientific. Becoming emotional is not good for the rational mind.

Further, if you are saying that scientists on this thread who have differing ideas or thoughts to you are who you meant in your statement than once again I would suggest you be more precise in your language. Oh, and if your comment is directed at the contrary an scientists posting here than I perhaps are included amongst them. I am definitely not a narrow minded thinker. I am a discoverer, inventor and scientist who on my own has made new society benefiting devises and methods independently of others. A true research scientist who has through the use of deduction, observation and the genius level of creativity has a number of important issued patents to my name as the sole inventing scientist.

Nice try at first trying to shut down voices you don't like and second, belittling others by insinuating they couldn't originate independent thoughts or accomplishments.

Oh. I'm seriously happy today because the patent examiner told my attorney one of my new patents is now going to issue. Yes, I'm the sole inventor. It's a great patent that will protect a number of my already created product in a multi billion dollar industry.

Today is a good day. And tomorrow will be one also, give or take a few degrees. Now as always I just have to be careful of the thieving, lying, grifters called politicians who want to take my money and redistribute it to the indolent class. This Government theft of ithers money is now being dressed up as a social good in the smoke mirrors of carbon tax credits. Which is nothing more than voodoo socialist economics.

Put your fingers in your ears, throw a tantrum. Yell I don't want to gear this anymore. Then belittle scientists who are real accomplished scientists. Great intellectual contribution based on rationality and logical thinking. LOL.

[landlockedsquid]

Originally Posted by Exile

Ah, but have you already forgotten? If we natter our way into solving GW, then we will in fact have solved cancer . . . and terrorism . . . and poverty . . . social injustice . . . economic inequality . . . racial tensions . . . reparations for past misdeeds . . . and [insert grievance here]. All it takes is some cooler temps and nirvana will be achieved.

Just like Reagan said all those years ago. "If only there were aliens, then we could bring the entire world together to fight them" or something to that effect. Well, it wasn't an alien race, but it looks like we have indeed found a global boogyman.