Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooling

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by conachair

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Yes it does still make a sound. Woodlands creatures are there to hear it.

[fryewe]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Yes it does still make a sound. Woodlands creatures are there to hear it.

...and aliens...

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Factor

I read the thread, yes I know, I was bored - it was raining here. All I can say is that most of went went on here doesn't surprise me, from the people who think the moon landing was faked and aliens are real.

Another one who fell for Lewandowski's retracted bizarre "research paper"?

[StuM]

Originally Posted by conachair

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

That depends on your definition of "sound". There are two equally valid answers depending on your frame of reference.

If you are using the physical science meaning of "a vibration that propagates as a typically audible mechanical wave of pressure and displacement, through a medium such as air or water" then the answer is yes.

If however you use the psychological and physiological meaning of "reception of such waves and their perception by the brain", then the answer is no.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by Rustic Charm

hmmm, Are you from the U.S (or Mexican) ? have you seen the news today of what's going on in your country?

You mean what the American media thinks I should be putting my attention on?...No, not for some time. Of course nothing like this goes on where you're from...right?

[senormechanico]

I've been both a victim and instigator of thread drift, but this nd thread is getting "ridiculouser and ridiculouser" !

(and don't start, I know that's not a real word.)

[StuM]

Originally Posted by senormechanico

I've been both a victim and instigator of thread drift, but this nd thread is getting "ridiculouser and ridiculouser" !

(and don't start, I know that's not a real word.)

Nah, it hit the zenith of ridiculosity real early - at post #6.

Since then it's just been a fun game of whack-a-mole.

[jackdale]

Meanwhile in the Arctic

June set another satellite-era record low for average sea ice extent, despite slower than average rates of ice loss. The slow rate of ice loss reflects the prevailing atmospheric pattern, with low pressure centered over the central Arctic Ocean and lower than average temperatures over the Beaufort Sea.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Meanwhile in the Arctic

June set another satellite-era record low for average sea ice extent, despite slower than average rates of ice loss. The slow rate of ice loss reflects the prevailing atmospheric pattern, with low pressure centered over the central Arctic Ocean and lower than average temperatures over the Beaufort Sea.

Is "prevailing atmospheric pattern" another term for local or regional weather phenomena, or more widespread but non-MMGW related events like "El Nino?"

If, as Curry and other climate scientists theorize, MMGW is likely not the dominant force in this long-term sea ice retreat, then could it also be reasonably attributed to a natural warming cycle, many of which have also occurred before human-derived CO2 increased to current levels?

I know you don't like questions, but these are mainly rhetorical, and designed to promote some critical thinking if not actual analysis when graphs like these are posted without much in the way of comment.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Meanwhile in the Arctic

June set another satellite-era record low for average sea ice extent, despite slower than average rates of ice loss. The slow rate of ice loss reflects the prevailing atmospheric pattern, with low pressure centered over the central Arctic Ocean and lower than average temperatures over the Beaufort Sea.

Show us the latest up to date comparison chart against recent years, Jack

[SV THIRD DAY]

Holy Smokes....A Rapid Drop in June Temps....

The Alarmists and MMGW Cultists won't like this.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Holy Smokes....A Rapid Drop in June Temps....

The Alarmists and MMGW Cultists won't like this.

Now you're being silly. This is proof positive of MM climate change. Dangerous climate change also includes cold events, dontcha know?

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Show us the latest up to date comparison chart against recent years, Jack

June 2016 is not up to date enough for you? Try http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

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[darylat8750]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I said it before and I will say it again its even on their projections.
One good volcano away from ice age.

No carbon credits for volcanos. Well maybe. Yellowstone volcano is one of if not the largest active volcanos in the world. Can we sell some carbon credits every year that it does not erupt?
One good volcano puts more "stuff" in the air in a couple of days than what? Most anything man can do in many, many years.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

This is actually a transcript from a recent interview of a very well known alarmist. Anyone care to guess who the orator is?

...Because we're putting more CO2 into the atmosphere, more of it is making its way into the ocean literally lowering the pH making the oceans more acidic. We are dissolving those organisms quite literally and so you have this sort of perfect storm, forgive the pun, of consequences for ocean acidification, decreasing oxygen, warming temperatures, record warmth that has bleached the Great Barrier Reef. Ninety percent of the Great Barrier Reef was bleached in this latest event. It's more than we've ever seen before because those waters of the Southern Ocean waters were warmer than they've ever been before. We're seeing all of these things come together in a way that gravely threatens the oceans and anything that threatens the oceans threatens all of us. Threatens all life on Earth...

In case anyone was interested...