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Old 27-08-2016, 14:55   #3031
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Now that's a little disingenuous because if the MMGWC had their way there would be no burning of carbon fuels. Not for cars, power plants or pagan festivals.
Too old for Burning Man, tho' it would be a blast to see once.

As I mentioned before, the MMGWC apparently doesn't want me... but no matter. From what you tell us, they're not much fun to hang with.

It's sort of a slow day. Couldn't break 4 kt sailing this aft. Why don't you rattle on some more about the right-wing's terror of gender issues?
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Old 27-08-2016, 15:02   #3032
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Why don't you rattle on some more about the right-wing's terror of gender issues?
I don't have any Gender issues...you can wear a dress all you want.... But watch out for the high heals...I once threw my back out for a month from a pair of Italian high heals....

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Old 27-08-2016, 15:15   #3033
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I've decided to reenter the conversation. I refuse to let one or two AGW communist bullies to silence me. So here is something I found interesting. Oh. It makes a mockery of the oft repeated mantra "scientific consensus".

Before I post about Antarctica. I would like to point out that the famous Berkley Professor who was rehired by Berkley University after publicly becoming a AGW follower admitted his seminal AGW research was based on flawed data. He admitted that 80% to 93% of source temperature data was discarded by the data collectors.

Funny that this scientific hoax hasn't even caused a ripple. But I must have gotten under the skin of a couple of posters here who saw fit to not only attack me here but to follow me to other threads and make snide attacks. Unable to address the issue itself that I raised they sank to the well known socialist/communist agitators handbook. Attack the messenger if you can't attack the message.


So getting back to the Antarctic.

Climate models predicted Antarctic sea ice would shrink as a result of global warming, but the opposite happened. Antarctic sea ice actually increased in the last two decades.

Chinese scientists compared climate model sea ice predictions to actual observations from 1979 to 2005 and found “the main problem of the [climate] models is their inability to reproduce the observed slight increase of sea ice extent.”

As it turns out, natural variability plays a big role here as well.

“Sea ice extent is strongly influenced by the winds and these have increased from the south over the Ross Sea, contributing to a small increase in total Antarctic sea ice since the late 1970s,” Turner said. “The increase in ice seems to be within the bounds of natural variability.”

Had Chinese researchers gone beyond 2005, they would have found more than just a slight increase. 2014 was the first year on record that Antarctic sea ice coverage rose above 7.72 million square miles. By Sept. 22, 2014, sea ice extent reached its highest level on record — 7.76 million square miles.

Antarctica also had unique ocean currents that keep surface waters cooler than the rest of the world.

A June 2016 study found Antarctica has a unique current pulls cold water from the Southern Ocean’s depths to the surface, causing the surface water to be colder than, say, in the Arctic. Cold water has helped sea ice hit record levels in 2014.



Read more: Few Signs Of Global Warming In Antarctica | The Daily Caller
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Some real science about Antarctic sea ice.

http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/icelight...arctic-sea-ice



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Some real science about Antarctic sea ice.

Icelights | Why is there so much Antarctic sea ice? | National Snow and Ice Data Center



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Gotta love how the Arctic is the unquestioned poster child for global warming yet the much bigger Antarctic region is festooned with whimsical explanation after whimsical explanation for not playing the game. The ice is melting, the ice isn't melting because of winds, the ice is melting underneath because of warm seas, the ice is growing because of cold seas, the sea ice is growing because of melt water runoff and on and on. All starting to sound a little silly, really.

Just maybe the Antarctic isn't melting because it's so freaking cold down there that it will take a heck of a lot more global warming, real or imagined, before any significant impacts will be realised.
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Just maybe the Antarctic isn't melting because it's so freaking cold down there that it will take a heck of a lot more global warming, real or imagined, before any significant impacts will be realised.
Which was predicted by Manabe and Stouffer in 1980.

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/bibliograp...les/sm8001.pdf

And Arrenhuis, 1898

http://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1...m18-173546.pdf
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Which was predicted by Manabe and Stouffer in 1980.

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/bibliograp...les/sm8001.pdf

And Arrenhuis, 1898

http://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1...m18-173546.pdf
... before climate change became a cash cow.

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Re: Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooli

Meanwhile back on the OP's question, Crystal Serenity is well on her way

First stop Ulukhaktok: Crystal Serenity cruise ship sails into N.W.T. - North - CBC News

Not much ice to be seen

https://www.facebook.com/westernarct...9695365257535/
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I've decided to reenter the conversation. I refuse to let one or two AGW communist bullies to silence me.
Hmmmm...I thought you left us to go save another person from a burning building or treading water for a few days organizing a posse.
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Re: Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooli

Like the founder of the weather chanel thinks it's all a load of BS.
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Hmmmm...I thought you left us to go save another person from a burning building or treading water for a few days organizing a posse.
Funny how you can be so sceptical in one way and so naive in another. Glad to see you wearing a hat to keep the sun off your head these days. Prolonged sun exposure can really mess up your mind.

Oh. You got me to bite before with your snide school yard remarks. No more. Keep attacking me rather than the subject at hand only gives testament to who you are.
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Climate change is already disrupting societies. A new study doesn’t let us forget it. | Grist

A meta-study, published in Nature Climate Change, compiles stories of over 1000 indigenous, subsistance-oriented communities who report changes in seasons, temperature, or amount of rain.
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Are biofuels worse for the planet than gasoline? | The Christian Science Monitor

A study from the University of Michigan Energy Institute (and partially funded by petroleum interests) concludes that corn ethanol and biodiesel biofuels may be more environmentally damaging than petroleum gasoline.
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Like the founder of the weather chanel thinks it's all a load of BS.
John Coleman left the Weather Channel after one year. He was a TV weatherman with a degree in journalism.

The Weather Channel position on climate change:

https://weather.com/science/environm...ement-20141029
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Funny how you can be so sceptical in one way and so naive in another. Glad to see you wearing a hat to keep the sun off your head these days.
Of course I wear my "Ultimate" sailing hat. For the reason that I am actually a cruiser on the cruising forum. So please remember your tin foil hat to keep the aliens from penetrating your mind while in your armchair.
I really do enjoy having you and Rich here for entertainment purposes. Watching the two of you grasp at threads to fortify your stance on CC denial has been amazing. Welcome back
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