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Old 19-08-2016, 21:25   #2851
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Re: Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooli

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Maybe we're just angry at the a$$holes who insist on proclaiming their ignorance about X in a sailing forum.
Angry...A$$holes....???
What I honestly don't understand is that I have not been angry a single time when reading this thread or while posting it in.

A$$holrs....???
I have not a single time while reading this thread through someone participating and posting to be an A$$hole.

I think this view of the thread participants is very interesting and should give pause. Why would I be angry or think someone is an A$$hole for giving their opinion? That's, in my world view, completely crazy and I've said it now over and over. If you want to be part of a MMGW Cult...great enjoy. If I want to be a MMGW Denier...great. What in the world do you think this site/chat room/thread is all about anyway...because I've said it over and over...Entertainment. You will change no minds here, and to think otherwise is to delude yourself. If you are not being entertained, then sir...you need to do what I tell my kids...put down the Internet for a while and get outside and play because you have seriously lost your way.

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Could you please point me to a post of yours with substance and without demagogy?
Of course I have linked to many useful MMGW Myth debunking articles, but now I'll do better, I'll give you something that will help perhaps not just in understanding my posts in this thread but could be useful in life in general:

The prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving'.

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... What in the world do you think this site/chat room/thread is all about anyway...because I've said it over and over...Entertainment...
It stopped to be entertaining a while ago. Now its only purpose is to create some advertising income for the owner of this forum.



For me right now this here is a distraction, a procrastinating tool as I should rather prepare observational plans for some young eclipsing binaries and write some telescope time assignment applications as I need urgently basic photometry and hi-res spectroscopy data of star-spots. But as this is tedious repetitive work I was rather unsuccessfully seeking amusement, but only found distraction here.

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...Of course I have linked to many useful MMGW Myth debunking articles, but now I'll do better, I'll give you something that will help perhaps not just in understanding my posts in this thread but could be useful in life in general:

The prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving'.
The is needed. Sorry Rich your sources - how do I say this without sounding condescending - are crap. Well to be fair you just adjusted your level to the level of the rest of the discussion.

However, I never took you for a bible thumper ...
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It stopped to be entertaining a while ago. Now its only purpose is to create some advertising income for the owner of this forum.

Then as a Practicing Capitalist, I'm happy to give the site owner more eyes, clicks, site traffic and CO2 emissions from the power needed to run the site...
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Then as a Practicing Capitalist, I'm happy to give the site owner more eyes, clicks, site traffic and CO2 emissions from the power needed to run the site...
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I just don't ask my wife to pick between me and Cortez the cat...I think I would lose....We got him in Mexico after he was orphaned by a hurricane. My daughter brought him home and my hard heart melted....How could I say no when this came up to the boat?

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I just don't ask my wife to pick between me and Cortez the cat...I think I would lose....We got him in Mexico after he was orphaned by a hurricane. My daughter brought him home and my hard heart melted....How could I say no when this came up to the boat?
I know the feeling. We got our Cosmos when he was six weeks old from a rescue centre. He was left to die in a box underneath a backpackers hostel. I think calling the people who left him there A$$holes would be an insult to A$$holes.
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The prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving'.
...However, I never took you for a bible thumper ...
Rich's forum and boat name is SV THIRD DAY. Care to guess what "Third Day" refers to?
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What we can learn from watching video of coral lose its color | Christian Science Monitor

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Last week, researchers from the Queensland University of Technology described the first-ever video of coral bleaching in the journal Coral Reefs. They found that under simulated warming conditions, solitary mushroom coral called Heliofungia actiniformis will swell and squeeze, dramatically expelling their algal tenants. The eight-day time-lapse video, which is making the rounds on the internet this week, brings coral to life for viewers who may be more accustomed to thinking about reefs as habitats rather than animals and bleaching as a passive event...

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Humanity’s Used Up A Year’s Natural Resources Budget Faster Than Ever | Time
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Monday is Earth Overshoot Day, which marks the date mankind consumes its budget of natural resources for the entire year, according to data from the Global Footprint Network.[...]

As the global population has grown and consumption has increased, Earth Overshoot Day has moved from late September in the year 2000, to Aug. 8 this year.[...]
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Humanity’s Used Up A Year’s Natural Resources Budget Faster Than Ever | Time

Monday is Earth Overshoot Day, which marks the date mankind consumes its budget of natural resources for the entire year, according to data from the Global Footprint Network.[...]

As the global population has grown and consumption has increased, Earth Overshoot Day has moved from late September in the year 2000, to Aug. 8 this year.[...]
Well, thank (Rich's) god for the 2nd and 3rd world, 'cause if everyone 'ate' like the 1st world we'd be sixth month's behind on January 1....
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It stopped to be entertaining a while ago.

...I was rather unsuccessfully seeking amusement, but only found distraction here.



Well to be fair you just adjusted your level to the level of the rest of the discussion.

However, I never took you for a bible thumper ...
New to slumming are we? While the hoi polloi are aware, usually, (and sometimes welcome [even the dimwitted like a change now and then]) when being deigned a visit by the elite, it is generally considered bad form all around, by both groups, to openly insult the slummees. Of course the advantage for the slummers is that, when the slumming gets boring, one can always go back to one's normal life...

It is a bit odd that the most strident proclaimer (22 times so far in this thread, that I could find) of who is or is not a member of the, as he so memorably puts it, the MMGWC (Man Made Global Warming Cult), appears in fact to be a member of the largest cult on Earth. You know, the one that generally puts 'faith' above evidence, not in an hierarchical way, but as a specific doctrine. I say 'appears', because I've asked twice to no avail, but like Sailoar have assumed that the 'Third Day' in question is a not-so-veiled reference to the resurrection of Jesus (though there are many other '3 day' references in the Bible and Islam).


And, since the 'psychology' dam has already been breached anyway, would it be wrong to suggest that maybe there's a little 'histrionic personality disorder' on display in this (and at least one other) case?
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Angry...A$$holes....???
What I honestly don't understand is that I have not been angry a single time when reading this thread or while posting it in.

A$$holrs....???
I have not a single time while reading this thread through someone participating and posting to be an A$$hole.

I think this view of the thread participants is very interesting and should give pause. Why would I be angry or think someone is an A$$hole for giving their opinion? That's, in my world view, completely crazy and I've said it now over and over. If you want to be part of a MMGW Cult...great enjoy. If I want to be a MMGW Denier...great. What in the world do you think this site/chat room/thread is all about anyway...because I've said it over and over...Entertainment. You will change no minds here, and to think otherwise is to delude yourself. If you are not being entertained, then sir...you need to do what I tell my kids...put down the Internet for a while and get outside and play because you have seriously lost your way.

Of course I have linked to many useful MMGW Myth debunking articles, but now I'll do better, I'll give you something that will help perhaps not just in understanding my posts in this thread but could be useful in life in general:

The prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving'.

Rich, when you get invited to a home, or a social gathering, do you normally jump up after dinner and start going off about the MMGW cult (or guns, or socialism, or some other hot-button topic)? No, right? Most of us were given some instructions about how to conduct ourselves in polite company. General rule- steer clear of religion and politics.

When you're at such a gathering, and some guy stands up and starts going off like that... do you not glance at your wife and mutter "Geez, sit down, a$$hole"?

Of course, if I jump up with a retort and start an argument it doesn't speak so well of me either. Mea culpa.

"What in the world do you think this site/chat room/thread is all about anyway?"

Cruising? Sailing? Mutual assistance? Pleasurable company? I don't know what it is about the internet that makes it OK to behave here in a way different from how they'd behave in person. Of course CF's definition of "nice" conversation is curious, given the latitude of topics that they condone.

If your idea of entertainment is to pick a serious, contentious topic and snark away at it in public, then yes we're different people.

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Of course CF's definition of "nice" conversation is curious, given the latitude of topics that they condone.
Actually. To be realistic, CF topics are governed by the members with a few exceptions. The moderators job is to keep things flowing without acrimony between members and with as little bad language as possible and with good manners. We are CENSORS only by definition and that is because we follow the rules as set down and have the finger on the red button.

We do not 'condone' things that violate the rules. Personal attacks and jibes are taken seriously. Once alerted to an issue in hand, a few moderators will look at it and take into account the topic, the people involved, the particular nature of the incident and then take action..... or not. Someone has to make that decision and a group moderator decision is the final say. As individuals some of us mods might not agree but that is the way it works.

This thread is a prime example of moderation. Some mods are passionate about global warming/cooling and others, like me for instance hold the view that climate change is cyclical and we are seeing minor changes that in a few years will reverse. I Do not deny some 'changes' are apparent, that would be unscientific, BUt I hold reservations on conclusions that are made as to where it is all leading. But then I like Marmite as well.

In the end, this thread has run a course through CF of some heated, discussion of deep opinion and some wonderful humour. I have learned a lot and laughed even harder. It would be a shame to see it now become one of personal attacks and bad natured comments.

The mods are eternally damned if they do or if they dont. We do our best and err on the side of leniency. If we did not... there would be far fewer threads to read.

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Weavis. I am so offended by you being a marmite cultist. Vegimite lovers such as myself are always having to cope with the marmites. But at the end of the day I can respect marmite eaters even though I prefer vegimite. After all we both appreciate the vitamin B shot.

By the way, marmite and vegimite had the same origin. The UK and the British Commonwealth country, Australia both developed marmite and vegimite immediately following the 2nd World War. Purpose was to provide a nutritional shot in the arm so to speak following both countries war time food shortages.

Both M & V are rich in vitamin B and would be worthwhile for all cruisers to consider having on board. But be warned both are an acquired almost exotic taste.

This perhaps leads to another topic. Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers.
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, but like Sailoar have assumed that the 'Third Day' in question is a not-so-veiled reference to the resurrection of Jesus.
Nice guess but Wrong...along with the rest of the Meme built upon a false ASSumtion.
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