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Old 28-02-2011, 11:28   #46
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Re: Danish Yacht taken by Pirates

I'm wondering if there is a way to start an on line petition here on CF? Then we can forward it to ALL of our politicians and show our support for ALL the hostages(regardless of citizenship). We have a very big membership here on CF and we need to do something. Mods??? Is this possible???
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Re: Danish Yacht taken by Pirates

Hopefully this will be a wake up call to all the world's nations of the seriousness of this problem. Hopefully, this will facilitate frank, open discussions on how to FIX the problem. Whether the solution is Navy patrols, sailboat convoys, etc. all options should be considered.

Hopefully, forums such as CF will help anyone passagemaking with information and helpful advice.

Personally, if I were to be planning a circumnavigation at this time, I would NOT be considering a transit through this area. If I were making a transit near this area, I would take the advice of an earlier poster and NOT provide my course or location publically.
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Dude, You're probably right about HF SSB signals but who can be sure? These "pirates" are plenty smart. I'm planning on a westward circumnav. from N.Amer and decided a long time ago NOT to try to go north through the Mediterranean. Doing the research, the trip around S. Africa looks tough, avoiding the storms and nasty Agulhas current, but do-able at the right time of the year.
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It appears that some organizations are canceling trips through there...? I believe I read something to that effect this morning in passing. Some race or something?

Anyway, someone here or on another forum used a phrase I caught about "having one's finger on the geopolitical pulse" of the world or something to that effect.

The most important thing anyone can do is be informed. Information, they say is power. Thus being informed of where you should NOT venture is as important as any weather report, or how to fix your engine or read a chart.

Many people simply chose to assume the best about the worst.

I wouldn't ever venture to attempt a guess as to why the skipper of any vessel does what he does or why he did it. He probably, at the time had a damned good reason for doing what he did. Second guessing him even here on forums where everyone wanted to second guess everyone else is just not a good idea.

Facts are facts and in this case and the case of the Quest, we just don't have any.

But knowing enough to make an informed decision is the best any ONE of us could do.

In my case... the circumnavigation is out for now unless things change drastically. I'll stick to cruising the Caribbean where I can go without hassle.
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Re: Danish Yacht taken by Pirates

From another internet forum. I can't confirm this though:

According to our information the attack happened in position 14N and 58E and the name of the Yacht is S/Y ING.

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From another internet forum. I can't confirm this though:

According to our information the attack happened in position 14N and 58E and the name of the Yacht is S/Y ING.

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Pete, how does posting coordinates and the name of the vessel(that was posted on another internet forum) help anyone? Is there a possibility that it could hinder things? I think any vessel proceeding through this are knows there are pirates in the area. I don't think this is very prudent(nor is the accuracy verified as a post on an internet forum is not verifiable info). Why re-post this??? I don't get what you are trying to achieve here. At least post the internet forum name you got it from.
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OK; There is no need to hold back information at this point, as all information is out in the media here in Denmark, and I am sure english news services will post soon too.
Because I do not want "hear-say" let me post this info, and after that please focus on what we can learn and how we can keep this risk a minimum for our friends sailing the area, this is priority one!
The sailboat is 43 foot sloop, name is "ING", onboard is a family with mom/dad and 3 children 13-17 years old, and also 2 crew members, total number 7 people taken by pirates.
The danish Navy has a fast battle ship following the ING right now, this is confirmed by danish news.
They were taken at the position shown on below link (look in the bottom of the page that opens).
ING jordenrundt.info
Let us all use this situation for learning, for reducing risks in the future for the people we love and care for, and let us all pray for the people right now in the crisis of their life...!
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Re: Danish Yacht taken by Pirates

I posted this because it gives a location of where the yacht may have been taken from. I presume that if pirates have taken the yacht they will know its name as its normally written on the stern and presumably they know roughly were they were at the time

If I can find something more authoritative then I will post a link.

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Pete, how does posting coordinates and the name of the vessel(that was posted on another internet forum) help anyone? Is there a possibility that it could hinder things? I think any vessel proceeding through this are knows there are pirates in the area. I don't think this is very prudent(nor is the accuracy verified as a post on an internet forum is not verifiable info). Why re-post this??? I don't get what you are trying to achieve here. At least post the internet forum name you got it from.
I don't think there's a posibility of it hurting and appreciated the info.
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Pete, how does posting coordinates and the name of the vessel(that was posted on another internet forum) help anyone? Is there a possibility that it could hinder things? I think any vessel proceeding through this are knows there are pirates in the area. I don't think this is very prudent(nor is the accuracy verified as a post on an internet forum is not verifiable info). Why re-post this??? I don't get what you are trying to achieve here. At least post the internet forum name you got it from.
At this point in time - the pirates know they have the boat. They know when, where and how it was taken and who is on board.

The Danish government has all the same data by now.

We all know the boat was taken, and the pirates know we (we in the generic form, the world) is aware.

They (the pirates) also know that we know what happened with the Quest recently.

So posting now, in my opinion isn't going to make matters worse.

Besides, the boat is being moved thus, the pirates are attempting to hide its whereabouts.

The Earth is a very big place made much, much smaller by communications. So we're going to know much more soon enough.
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Pete, how does posting coordinates and the name of the vessel(that was posted on another internet forum) help anyone? Is there a possibility that it could hinder things? I think any vessel proceeding through this are knows there are pirates in the area. I don't think this is very prudent(nor is the accuracy verified as a post on an internet forum is not verifiable info). Why re-post this??? I don't get what you are trying to achieve here. At least post the internet forum name you got it from.

You don't think the Pirate's know where they are and which boat they have?
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I don't think there's a posibility of it hurting and appreciated the info.
Thanks Pete.

Palarran, I understand you don't think there's a possibility of it hurting, but can you say that for sure? Possibly competing pirates may use the info to hijack the original pirates. Why should we take the risks here with other peoples lives? Doesn't seem right. I read a thread last week giving US troop movements(I looked for the thread but it seems it may have been deleted-props to the mod that deleted it!!!). Speculation and innuendo probably has no place while there is a fluid situation going on with people's lives. If it were your wife or kids would you want someone on an internet forum posting information(any information) that could possibly put them in more danger? As much as all the armchair intel officers here(and on other forums) think they can help from behind their keyboards, they can't, but can only hinder any effort to rescue these people. We can save that for after these people have been rescued.
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Here is another that just happened ,I had posted this one earlier.You can find the links to this very recent one on Coastal Passage
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The reports from the Quest said that the 2 pirates that were already dead when the SEALS got onboard. This says there may be some internal political issues going on there and disagreements as to how to handle things. The pirate community may be fracturing in the different factions, maybe a power struggle. There is a real possibility that if there's a fracture then one side may try and 're-take' the other sides booty. This is a real possibility. It's not about the original pirates knowing where they are when they hijack a vessel, it's about a possibly competing pirate gang knowing where they are too.
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God I feel sorry for these guys. Living the dream the odds about being boarded are slim, but it seems to be happening more and more. We all work on the same principal everyday when we get out of bed. It will never happen to me. No one plans to be in a fatal car crash logic. I coastal cruised with my young kids 4, for years in remote some would say dangerous (different reasons) waters. My rational was that it was safer than a road trip, or being in a city etc. ( Lived 50 miles off the coast on a small island)

I have been looking at some cruising forums and the rational seems to be that this way is still safer than the long way around Africa. the present route though the Red Sea makes use of the global westerlies and avoids the various storm seasons. It keeps away from weather black holes etc. Some boats arrange convoys, but without escorts. Others thinking about starting are rerouting and their seems a general growing feeling that cruisers look for other circumnavigation routes.

I hope to soon travel across the puddle(Live on West Side of Pacific) no real calling to go back to Europe, but then I don't have to. My fears are weather related, perfect storm, being run over by ships. Until recently never thought much about Pirates. maybe I should. Pirate activity is growing in the Carib, and South East Asia. After looking at the ak's on the post about the russian navy, what chance does your average Joe have with his trusty shotgun? But now it seems to be a growing problem world wide.

As many have said, don't know details of how and where. Feel bad for them as a Sailor, as a parent makes me sick to my stomach.
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