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Old 02-11-2011, 21:45   #211
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markpierce - yup...like dis: CONTAINER YACHTS

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Old 02-11-2011, 21:51   #212
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Saltmonkey, my boat is fat with 13 feet of beam, and is too wide to fit in a container.

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PS - How was the buffet and bar on the Gem? Heh-heh.
They are nice. So are the main dining rooms.

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Old 02-11-2011, 23:08   #214
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Mark, your boat is awesome
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Old 03-11-2011, 03:11   #215
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Leaking diesel fuel is a problem of itself. It is quite volatile, and the fumes will quickly nauseate anyone stuck in a closed space, making it impossible to stay in the cabin for any amount of time beyond a few minutes. Under these weather conditions, sleeping on the deck would not be an option. While the boat appeared to be viable, the bigger picture suggests this Captain made the right call. I'm not going to second guess his 44 years of experience. If his crew seemed happy and healthy when they arrived on the deck of the cruse ship, it is due to his care.
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Based on your experience - would a Jordan Series Drogue (or similar) have helped this particular boat in those conditions?

I've never been in conditions anywhere near that bad - so I am always trying to research tactics that could be used...just to prepare. It seems to me that a 45' breaking wave is going to do some serious damage to virtually any boat - but I'd like to know what you think.

Very glad you guys are safe. Sounds like you made a good call.

PS - How was the buffet and bar on the Gem? Heh-heh.
I never used a Jordan Series Drogue, so I can't comment on that.
However, I believe in speed and manoeuvrability during a storm. Speed gives you manoeuvrability to present quickly the stern of your vessel to the breaking wave. The down side of this is you are covering a lot of distance, not necessarily in the right direction...
The buffet and bar on the Gem were awesome! Their sense of hospitality is exceptional.
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Ahhhh... and here we difer....
I believe in the more passive approach in these scenarios...
heave to and go below till its past...
then carry on till the next front and repeat...
But then I always refuse to give/commit to a schedule...
it breaks men and boats.
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Thank you Sir.
I totally concord with HUD
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and I'm impressed by your honesty in sharing all with us on the forum.

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Old 03-11-2011, 09:10   #219
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You also have to understand that Sanctuary was not my boat. The boat belongs to a Charter Company that operates on Lake Champlain in summer and in the Caribbean during winter.
As a professional Captain, I was hired to deliver the boat from Lake Champlain, NY to St-Maarten, with paying guests onboard who wanted to acquire offshore experience.

I think they got a lot for their money...

But, maybe only professional delivery Captains will understand that, in this type of business, you are dealing with boats that may not come as per your standards and specifications. You take them as they are and do the best you can with the equipment available. Also, the level of knowledge and experience of my paying guests had to do with my decisions. Their safety was my priority.

Captain Thierry Simon.
That also explains a lot. Were I a delivery skipper with paying crew, I would have a different set of priorities than if I was sailing alone with experienced crew, and I would have another set of priorities if I was on my own cruiser with my family, because I would have a very good idea of the soundness of the boat, our tolerance for misfortune and the odds of extricating ourselves out of a bad and even a critical situation.

But I'm not a delivery skipper, nor likely to be one. It's an entirely different job to just being a skipper of one's own cruiser, because you are likely a more broadly experienced skipper constantly sailing boats you may consider to be either inadequately equipped or not ideal for the proposed voyage.
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Looks like a good chance of salvage here......She sure is floating high in the water to be "sinking".
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Re: Crew of SV 'Sanctuary' Abandon Ship

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Ahhhh... and here we difer....
I believe in the more passive approach in these scenarios...
heave to and go below till its past...
then carry on till the next front and repeat...
But then I always refuse to give/commit to a schedule...
it breaks men and boats.
I have used a drogue to good effect on one occasion, but I can see the logic in not running (all considerations of searoom aside). The problem with running is that it lengthens the time you are affected by the storm -- you're traveling with it instead of letting it pass.
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The problem with running is that it lengthens the time you are affected by the storm -- you're traveling with it instead of letting it pass.
Lengthening the storm???? How fast do you think you are possibly going???
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Ahhhh... and here we difer....
I believe in the more passive approach in these scenarios...
heave to and go below till its past...
then carry on till the next front and repeat...
But then I always refuse to give/commit to a schedule...
it breaks men and boats.
I'm with you boaty 100%. SaltyMonkey would rather be in cabin watching cable TV in a storm. But thats assuming the boat is designed good enuf for heaven' or sea anchoring'. But these new fangled fin's don't seem to easily do either, and those spades seem to me a risk of a bending'. Hence my salty monkey preference for old slow wineglass designs. Gotta be proved wrong by my see in for myself.
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Looks like a good chance of salvage here......She sure is floating high in the water to be "sinking".
CapPatAg,

She's sitting on her lines because the crew had been manually pumping out the incoming seawater. Check some of Captain Simon's earlier posts for the details.
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