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Old 07-12-2010, 13:48   #76
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I think that all the facts should be known before we judge. Why was the daughter left to defend the ship with a flare gun in a remote anchorage and suceed. This story has many unanswered questions.
Will we ever know considering the remote location and the nature of the relationships in the family?
Will we ever know what happened? Do thugs really go looking in desolate anchorages? I hope the crime sceen is recovered and scrutinzed. This just sounds weird.

I am not sure how she defended herself with a flare gun. Guys with guns are not afraid of flare guns and a young girl. These punks are cowards and will shoot without remorse. There are still parts of this story to be told and I would like to hear it. Thanks God the girls got away. A miracle I believe.
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Honestly folks,

One cannot second guess any situation where violent attack is concerned. Too many variables to consider. No single action can determine the outcome with so many variables at play. So no one can say "this or that may have made the difference". After-the-fact is too late. If ThugA had been holding the gun on the Man instead of ThugB, the outcome may have been different. "If the Man had been standing 2 feet to the left he could have"...etc,etc. Keeping a watch while on the hook may have helped. We can only mourn the losses and be better prepared ourselves for this kind of situation should it occur. Even passive and cooperative you may still be shot or end up in deep water with an anchor tied to your feet. No one knows what will happen and no one can be completely prepared for when/if it does. The armed/unarmed debate is a matter of personal choice and should not be argued at all. For me it's armed, for you it may be unarmed. If your alive AFTER the fact, that's all that matters. HOW you got to that point is irrelevant. Honestly, if it's a choice of my life or holes in the boat, damn the boat.

But the best thing to do is to avoid the trouble areas in the first place. Fore-warned is fore-armed. Going anyway is a fools errand unless you absolutely have to be there.

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Why turn this into a debate about what happened or armed or unarmed,,, Lets not disrespect the person or his family in the forum,,

If this happened to you or to one of your loved ones would you want people on this fourm to debate what they think happened or what you should have done??

I think not,,

A person lost his life due to a tragic situation

I think that all the facts should be known before we judge. Why was the daughter left to defend the ship with a flare gun in a remote anchorage and suceed. This story has many unanswered questions.

WHO THE FU__ ARE YOU TO JUDGE,
a person dies and you are going to judge him or the decisions he made,,, if this happened to you would you want your family reading what you posted.

Please lock this thread and lets not disrespect the sailor or his family


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I don't think we are judging, we are learning from these posts. We are all searching for answers to this horrible crime and some of us are venting our frustrations to the way the path this world of ours is on. It does not look if you read the news frequently. I hope this thread saves someones live some day. Please do not close it.
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Why turn this into a debate about what happened or armed or unarmed,,, Lets not disrespect the person or his family in the forum,,

If this happened to you or to one of your loved ones would you want people on this fourm to debate what they think happened or what you should have done??

I think not,,

A person lost his life due to a tragic situation

I think that all the facts should be known before we judge. Why was the daughter left to defend the ship with a flare gun in a remote anchorage and suceed. This story has many unanswered questions.

WHO THE FU__ ARE YOU TO JUDGE,
a person dies and you are going to judge him or the decisions he made,,, if this happened to you would you want your family reading what you posted.

Please lock this thread and lets not disrespect the sailor or his family


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Amen, Cap'n, but also.......

James,
The answer is that there is no answer. A random act of violence on the innocent resulting in tragedy. How the lady survived is irrelevant to the fact that she did survive. How did you survive even though you were prepared? It happened so fast you had no time. Circumstances and a miracle allowed you to survive.
Can't second guess that.

The best way to stay out of trouble is not going near it at all.
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Sorry Dude. People claim they learn a lot from these things.
I don't get it either but the administrators agree that this stuff is valuable.
A serious character flaw to this forum.
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I don't think we are judging, we are learning from these posts. We are all searching for answers to this horrible crime and some of us are venting our frustrations to the way the path this world of ours is on. It does not look if you read the news frequently. I hope this thread saves someones live some day. Please do not close it.
I read the new all the time,,, will be cruising myself someday for many years, planning around the world for 10 years if not more soon. everytime someone is robbed, shot or other it does allow us all to learn from it but we can learn and be prepared WITHOUT judging or disrespecting the people involved. I have read this thread from the beginning several times since it was posted and believe it is getting OFF topic and disrespectful to the dead, his family and the survivor.

I myself have lost friends in Saint Marteen on a meag yacht a couple of years ago due to a robbery in front of his wife and 10 year old daughter,,, had another friend pass away with the owners onboard in palm beach,,,

both situations were written up on different fourms that had lasting effect to all involved.

seeing this first hand, what people post may be well meaning but can be taken VERY differently by the people involved
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True! "Understanding" is subjective. But if allowed to, we know down which road this will eventually lead. The infamous "armed vs unarmed debate". What all need to remember is that no matter which choice you make, the circumstances of "the event" will dictate the outcome. Armed or not.

I would suggest that the lady probably hid in a forward locker until one of the Thugs opened it and found himself face-to-face with a flare gun "off the probiscus bow". When they ran, she fired, and they kept running.

The effect of surprise, whether or not your armed can have a strong effect on the cowardly. It can also get you shot. See what I mean? In a crisis situation, EVERYTHING is determined by actions and reactions. What needs to be LEARNED is how to react while IN the crisis situation. Armed or unarmed, doesn't matter. This requires training to be effective. Without it, you're dependant on miracles and/or blind luck! Take crisis management and self-defense courses, they're available. THEN you are best prepared for what may come.

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Aluminium hatches make a boat a lot harder to break into, especialy if the ports are not too big.
A flare pistol is useless as a weapon. A lady in Comox tried to commit suicide with one. Bounced off her tits at point blank rage, and bounced around the cabin, setting the boat on fire. Only slightly burned her tits.
Those big hand held rocket flares have a lot more power.
Sadly, this death may be the result of people buying the line that "laws which result in only criminals having guns, make us safer."
The daughter was 24 years old.
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Drug shipment related?

Is it possible that drugs are being transshipped through the area?

It's hard to believe that four men would gain enough from a yacht to make it worth while to shoot four times. Even in Honduras the police would have to take some action and the evidence (what was taken) would be hard to hide.

Every person in the nearby communities would have to know who the men were and where they lived.

If it was drug shipment related then the responsible organizations may take more than a passing interest.
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It's hard to believe that four men would gain enough from a yacht to make it worth while to shoot four times. Even in Honduras the police would have to take some action and the evidence (what was taken) would be hard to hide.
Sorry but you need to understand that in central America life is TOUGH for a large percentage of the population.

The wage for a schoolteacher will be around $200 US a month. Many, many people live a life of subsistence fishing or farming. Malnutrition is common. Add to this the fact that Honduras has been in political turmoil and it quickly becomes apparent that the haul from even the smallest yacht will have a significant impact on the life of the thief.

A small outboard engine can change the lives of a family.

I have anchored in El Diamente on a number of occasions. It is a well sheltered, beautiful but VERY isolated place. I have rarely seen another boat there.

The french boat that was boarded previous to the attack on Adena emphasized their actions of no resistance. They felt very strongly that this saved their lives.
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Of course drugs move through the area, but these incidents are not about drugs, at least not by cruisers involved with drugs. It is completely understandable that local robbers would target a yacht in a remote anchorage, and kill a resisting victim. Central America is very different from Australia. The people are very poor, law enforcement is practically non-existent, and visiting yachts represent wealth. The temptation is there, the guns are there and cruisers are generally aware of the risk.
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Has anyone actually seen a first hand account from the daughter saying that the father resisted the attack? I haven't. It seems to me that the report of resistance probably has as much credibility as the daughter being 13. If anyone's seen a quote from the daughter reported anywhere saying the father resisted, could they point us to it?
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Has anyone actually seen a first hand account from the daughter ...
Not yet.

“Margaret Wilson can wait to hear the details of her granddaughter's escape from her father's yacht after he was gunned down by pirates in waters along the northern coast of Honduras...
... The grandmother said family members aren't pressing Myda for details of the nightmare because her emotions are too raw right now...”


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Thanks Gord, truely a tragic situation for the family. I hope the young lady recovers from her ordeal with time.
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