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Old 04-11-2010, 05:54   #46
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... so far this year ive only sailed 6000 miles ...
Thatís quite an accomplishment, in roughly 300 days.
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WOW! Only took a couple of replies to become a gun/alcohol/rape thread. In the big picture I'm much more scared of this type of parniod thinking than a few pirates! Maybe going sailing isn't going to be the escape from "nuts" that I hoped for.
We are more than half-way around and can assure that there are some "nuts" out here cruising. Guns are never a topic of conversation with us, but lots of other topics have illustrated just how "nuts" some of these folks are. Most cruisers are great people. It is easy enough to separate yourself and move to another anchorage when you encounter someone who seems less than mentally stable or too vocal in beliefs that you consider weird or unacceptable.

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Guns are never a topic of conversation with us,
no one has ever asked me if I have a gun on board. It really never gets asked as far as I am aware. We kinda knew one guy on the convoy had a gun but never knew if it was fact or what it was.
Good friends with them and anchored together for a week after the convoy and never asked them.

On the convoy we were a loooooong way out of their range, unfortuanetly... they were about 1/2 mile in front of us at the minimum. I also noted that those close to them seemed to think the pirate thing was a bit of a myth.

I suppose Infantry feel safer when there is a tank or two traveling with them.

BTW I would quite happily go up the gulf of Aden if I was packing an AK47 or M16 semi auto versions or semi auto shotgun etc (or M203, M60 lol)
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Day 4 and still no confirmation...... still... gives the Gung Ho a chance to vent....
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if you want to stop piracy,address the problem,poverty in africa,caused mainly by unfair western economic policys,which we as wealthy yachties(any one who earns more than $300 a month) have benifited from,so look at piracy as a direct from source shipping/yachtie tax.........

somalia used to have a very good and profitable tuna canning industry,un till the west flooded the region with cheap weapons,employing the very same people who would otherwise be fishing but now have to resort to piracy to support their familys.
Wow! I never realized this whole piracy thing was really our fault. First we ruined their tuna industry, then we flooded them with weapons. Hopefully we won't get arrested by the UN and put on trial in Brussels for crimes against Somalia.

Perhaps we can put a hold on all economic development in the West so this doen't happen again with other countries.

In all seriousness, the fix may take 50, 100, or 200 years and it is education. Education will enable all people to compete and make a living in the world market. It's the "feed a man a fish" thing.
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It's too bad that this subject polarizes people so much that they feel it necessary to go after others personally for voicing their beliefs. There is plenty of constructive dialogue to be had here, but all too often it gets stamped out by time-honored methods such as the shout down, or disrespectful labeling.

Here's hoping the guys are just out of contact, but four days is a little long to be holding out for good news, unfortunately
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Day 4 and still no confirmation...... still... gives the Gung Ho a chance to vent....
Arrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!! Vent-vent. Vent-vent.


Maybe it was rigged by the Somali Tourist Office?

Well, I do hope the report is wrong and all are safe.
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Maybe it was rigged by the Somali Tourist Office?

Well, I do hope the report is wrong and all are safe.
Ditto likewise.... there are many reasons for an overdue boat... but media tends to grab the most controversial and headline making.
I'm of the opinion if they'd been nabbed I'm sure we'd have heard something by now... unless they put up a fight.. in which case they're probably another 'Mystery of the Sea'...

Even Somali's know 'Bad Press'
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Good point boatman - if they resisted and lost their lives in a firefight, there is no one left to ransom and we will probably never hear of them again. Still, here's to hoping that this was all a creation of the press and that there was never a pirate attack.

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there are many reasons for an overdue boat...

There is no overdue boat.

The information comes from a group that is contacted by pirates when a ship is captured

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Andrew Mwangura, coordinator of the East African Seafarers Assistance Programme, told Reuters his organisation had been told that a yacht had been boarded by pirates near the Seychelles.

He said: 'We as yet don't have the name of the yacht nor do we know the gender of the crew, but we are trying to verify this information which we learnt of this evening (Monday).'

But Mr Mwangura said that other reports had suggested that the yacht was hijacked near Lamu Island off Kenya or near Brava in southern Somalia.
So itsa not media jumping to a false premis - an overdue boat- in fact the media has been very shy to report it till confirmed.

However Mr Mwangura mentioned in another article that I can't find that it may take a few days for pirate to get the 3 to a safe enough place to announce their caputure.

Certainly no one seems to have jumped up saying they may know the boat in question. Smething you'd think the cruising community of the area might know...
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Just returned from a gathering where the captain of a boat that had been attacked told his story. He like everyone else pointed out that discussing an attack at a backyard barbeque over a beer is far different then seeing four Somalian skiffs depart their mothership and take up positions on your stern. There apparently are convoys of vessels organized by speed that transit the area each day, but they were a part of such a convoy and were still attacked. He stressed drills and preparation as to what each individual would do in case of attack. As soon as the skiffs departed the mother ship they alerted the colition forces and were told that they were launching a helo and it would reach them in seven minutes. His comment was the longest seven minutes ever spent. As two of the skiffs closed for the final attack the helo arrived and gave chase. Apparently as soon as they heard the rotors the skiffs departed as they are only interested in the easy pickings. The captain mentioned that he tried to think out of the box and if there was any reason to suspect even a burglary he would carpet the decks with fly paper studded with carpet tacks. As he said these folks are barefoot and a 1 inch tack in the foot will cause them to rethink the situation.
Heard of a lady whose husband had been shot by pirates off the coast of Venezuela and as the outboard skiff approached she fired the flare gun into the rear of the boat at the portable tank. The result, one empty skiff and three swimming boarders, they apparently were belivers in the fact that flares and gasoline don't mix.
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The captain mentioned that he tried to think out of the box and if there was any reason to suspect even a burglary he would carpet the decks with fly paper studded with carpet tacks. As he said these folks are barefoot and a 1 inch tack in the foot will cause them to rethink the situation.
I would love to hear how that works out!
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People in parts of the world, like Somalia, are living in prehistoric mindsets and simply refuse to help themselves. Raising their standard of living simply makes them better at what they do now.
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People in parts of the world, like Somalia, are living in prehistoric mindsets and simply refuse to help themselves. Raising their standard of living simply makes them better at what they do now.
IMHO our civilized society needs look at the problem in the long term. See the bottom of my post #50 on this thread.
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People in parts of the world, like Somalia, are living in prehistoric mindsets and simply refuse to help themselves. Raising their standard of living simply makes them better at what they do now.
Would you care to list a few nations which have reacted in such a manner to having their standard of living raised?
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