A View On International Travel

[deckofficer]

Originally Posted by Bash

HUSH!!

You're giving away one of my favorite secret spots.

Let's talk more about gun violence.

Whoops, sorry.

You ever notice when Sara starts a new thread it goes to two pages in under 2 hours? I would say she has her hand and the pulse of the cruising community.

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by MarkSF

Possibly the first time that something in the Daily Mail has been described as a fact!

Global homicide: murder rates around the world | News | guardian.co.uk

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The historical rates for the last decade are about 5 per 100,000 in the US, 1.6 in the UK, and 32 for South Africa.

The difference between murders by gun is enormous :

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I first said 10 times, more like 100 according to those data.

So what.

Dead is dead.

Heh. Another gun thread.

But I was looking at maps of the gulf mentioned too.

[John Drake]

I love data:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59/nvsr59_04.pdf

Your chances of dying due to a homicide (all causes) is fraction of that of eating cheeseburgers (cardiovascular disease).

You are three times more likely to die from accidental exposure to a toxin, than a firearm in the US.

Four times more likely to die of renal failure.

About the same as Alcoholic liver disease (drink much?)



And while deaths due to firearms may be greater in the US than the UK, the homicide rate is lower. I would rather have the option of self protection.

[scubascooter]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Well... thats what happens when you run outa colonies to send yer nutters to...

Boatman,

So we are of nutter heritage, but we are friendly nutters.

Scott

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by scubascooter

Boatman,

So we are of nutter heritage, but we are friendly nutters.

Scott

Probably a lot saner than the rest still in the asylum...

[MarkSF]

Originally Posted by John Drake

I love data:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59/nvsr59_04.pdf

Your chances of dying due to a homicide (all causes) is fraction of that of eating cheeseburgers (cardiovascular disease).

You are three times more likely to die from accidental exposure to a toxin, than a firearm in the US.

Four times more likely to die of renal failure.

About the same as Alcoholic liver disease (drink much?)



And while deaths due to firearms may be greater in the US than the UK, the homicide rate is lower. I would rather have the option of self protection.

The data suggest that you are about 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US, than in the UK.

5 vs. 1.6 per 100K.

[John Drake]

The US data is reported crime. Is the UK data reported crimes or data based on convictions (or arrests)? Is that the "Detected" crime rate or the "Sanctioned" crime rate?

[sailorboy1]

It's more than just being afraid to go to a country because of violence in some part of it. It even applies to going to a given city because you read of violence there.

Was in Cancun in Nov. People asked me afterward about violence because there had been shootings in the city. But that was no where near the area I went to. Could say the same about any major city, if you go to the crime areas you can expect a bigger chance of joining in the violence.

[markpierce]

Originally Posted by MarkSF

Rather a telling argument for gun control, isn't it?

You're speaking of gun banishment, no? The States heavily control/regulate firearms, theoretically, but criminals don't follow laws/regulations.

[sneuman]

Originally Posted by Pete7

John, you can't quote the Daily Mail, we only read it in the UK for a laugh. Indeed you can read the whole paper in the 10 minutes you have each morning for a cup of tea

But it takes us Americans much longer because we have to sound out the words.

[markpierce]

Originally Posted by sneuman

But it takes us Americans much longer because we have to sound out the words.

That's not much of a handicap considering the fast-shrinking size/content of newspapers.

[MarkSF]

Originally Posted by markpierce

You're speaking of gun banishment, no? The States heavily control/regulate firearms, theoretically, but criminals don't follow laws/regulations.

Yes, I meant a ban.

It's hard to imagine a situation where you can mail order an assault or sniper rifle to be "heavily controlled"

[MarkSF]

Originally Posted by John Drake

The US data is reported crime. Is the UK data reported crimes or data based on convictions (or arrests)? Is that the "Detected" crime rate or the "Sanctioned" crime rate?

I believe it's the number of recorded deaths, ie corpses found!

[MarkSF]

Originally Posted by sneuman

But it takes us Americans much longer because we have to sound out the words.

Most Daily Mail readers have the same issue.

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by MarkSF

Yes, I meant a ban.

It's hard to imagine a situation where you can mail order an assault or sniper rifle to be "heavily controlled"

You can order it but it will not be delivered to you. You must pick it up at a licensed dealer, fill out the paperwork with proper ID and fingerprint etc. Plus a nice fee for the gvt.

And "Assault Rifle" is a misnomer. Widely used. Widely undefined. My plain old .22 you would not think of one but if I put a "military looking" stock and bi-pod on it you would call it an assault rifle. Same gun different "beholders" eye.

And any hunting (or not - NATO round is popular) long gun with a scope is a sniper rifle if used to snipe.