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Old 28-03-2011, 15:10   #16
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Awful lot of leaping to conclusions here - might be nice if we see some evidence before we lynch anyone.
All the writers acknowledged all the evidence wasn't in. Haven't heard any vigilantes were after the ferry's crew/captain either. So, what's the problem?
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Old 28-03-2011, 15:16   #17
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All the writers acknowledged all the evidence wasn't in. Haven't heard any vigilantes were after the ferry's crew/captain either. So, what's the problem?
What about: "Jail the ferry officers..."?

I agree with Factor. We don't know what happened and for that matter don't know that the ferry hadn't slowed before entering a fog patch. Very tragic, but jumping to conclusions won't help.
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Old 28-03-2011, 15:17   #18
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Re: 1 Dead - 2 rescued. Ferry mows down Boat in fog.

As least Condor Vitesse stopped & rendered assistance after the collision- otherwise there'd be trhee bodies instead of one. This is a lot more than the Pride of Bilbao offered the Ouzo, & more than the Silver Yang did for Jessica Watson. Both those vessels continued without stopping.

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the entire bridge crew of the ferry will be drug tested and not let near a boat for a while.
Usually only one or two guys, in my experience.
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Old 28-03-2011, 21:18   #19
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All the writers acknowledged all the evidence wasn't in. Haven't heard any vigilantes were after the ferry's crew/captain either. So, what's the problem?
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At first appearance, the ferry operated in a criminal fashion.
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Old 28-03-2011, 21:43   #20
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Re: 1 Dead - 2 rescued. Ferry mows down Boat in fog.

I wonder if the sailboat had a radar reflector.
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Old 28-03-2011, 22:14   #21
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I wonder if the sailboat had a radar reflector.
Sailboat? What sailboat?
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Old 28-03-2011, 22:57   #22
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Sailboat? What sailboat?
Fishing boat, fishing boat, I am sure I meant a fishing boat.
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What's your point? I'm not sure you appreciate my statement "At first appearance" in reference to a ship going over 45 mph in the fog and so destroying a boat and killing someone.
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I wonder if the sailboat had a radar reflector.
A vessel shouldn't be moving faster than the distance it can stop within half the distance visible. Too bad that might hamper one's ability to meet the timetable's schedule.
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Old 29-03-2011, 05:36   #26
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A vessel shouldn't be moving faster than the distance it can stop within half the distance visible. Too bad that might hamper one's ability to meet the timetable's schedule.
Vis was 30m - so how fast is that then? Do you really think that's practical or realistic?
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I think it would be very practical to go slower in order to improve operational safety, and perhaps even save lives. Would you drive at full speed down the highway in such thick fog? I think not.
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Geez I am glad you lot will never sit on a jury together.
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Re: 1 Dead - 2 rescued. Ferry mows down Boat in fog.

don,t commercial planes land and take off in fog as well?
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Re: 1 Dead - 2 rescued. Ferry mows down Boat in fog.

Not sure of the exact location...but mabe some of this would apply..

The Channel, with traffic in both the UK-Europe and North Sea-Atlantic routes, is the world's busiest seaways carrying over 500 ships per day.[25] Following an accident in January 1971 and a series of disastrous collisions with wreckage in February,[26] the Dover Traffic Separation System (TSS)[27] the world's first radar controlled TSS was set up by the International Maritime Organization.
In December 2002 the MV Tricolor, carrying 30m of luxury cars sank 32 km (20 mi) northwest of Dunkirk after collision in fog with the container ship Kariba. The cargo ship Nicola ran into the wreckage the next day. However, there was no loss of life.[citation needed]
The shore-based long range traffic control system was updated in 2003 and presently, there is a series of Traffic Separation Systems in operation.[28] Though the system is inherently incapable of reaching the levels of safety obtained from aviation systems such as the Traffic Collision Avoidance System, it has reduced accidents to one or two per year.[citation


If you look at the navrules...."conduct in ANY visibility" while in a traffic separation scheme requires fishing vessels to avoid vessels using that scheme. There even may be a requirement to contact the controlling agency to even be in the scheme....did the fishing vessel comply? To be as effective/safe as aviation...the rules have to be followed closely because speed is so high and necessary to be safe in aviation...that concept may be debatable in the maritime community.
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