http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/ Discussions on multihull sailboats like catamarans and trimarans en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:14:59 GMT vBulletin 60 http://cdn.cruisersforum.com/forums/../ugala/forums/images/misc/rss.jpg http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/ http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/wildcat-35-stainless-steel-33163.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:15:46 GMT HI everybody, I am looking for a 35-40 cat and had a look at a Wildcat 35 this weekend. I know there has been alot of buzz about their quality -... HI everybody,
I am looking for a 35-40 cat and had a look at a Wildcat 35 this weekend. I know there has been alot of buzz about their quality - both good and bad. However, I noted a few rusty places on the fender washers they used as backing. I also noted the backing for the chainplate on the port side appeared to be chrome plated and was peeling a little on one corner. I did not have a magnet with me to help check if the metal was stainless. Does anyone have "first hand" knowledge of any use of non-stainless items on the Wildcat?

Thaks in advance,
Terry and Dana ]]> Multihull Sailboats taweclectric http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/wildcat-35-stainless-steel-33163.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/dean-365-a-33156.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:27:58 GMT for more than 30 years I have been sailing different monohulls. Now we want to buy a catamaran to live aboard and sail worldwide except where it is... for more than 30 years I have been sailing different monohulls. Now we want to buy a catamaran to live aboard and sail worldwide except where it is really cold! We have an offer ,a Dean 365 built in 1993 good condition for aprx. 50000 €. eare very much tempted to buy,but beeing new in the field of catamarans we are thankfull for every advice,for reports of experience with tht kind of ship. Please help us with your knowledge to make up our mind,
peter ]]> Multihull Sailboats twiga http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/dean-365-a-33156.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/nerve-racking-33111.html Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:20:30 GMT Ever Wonder...]]> And you thought launching your cat was nerve racking

Ever Wonder How The Get Huge Boats in the Water? | I Am Bored ]]> Multihull Sailboats lancelots http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/nerve-racking-33111.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/air-conditioning-go-big-small-or-skip-it-altogether-33094.html Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:10:56 GMT I'm struggling with a design decision regarding air conditioning and heating on a new build Atlantic 57.

Here's the scenario. My wife and I like the tropics and hope to sail around the world some day. We like to mostly swing on the hook but for provisioning, picking up guests and doing repairs it's nice to be in a marina at times. We want a very simple Euro/US capable power setup and are using a Victron battery charger that will allow us to get power to the boat and an 2500 inverter for basic 110 needs. No generator, too heavy and we don't want/need aircon on the hook. We like the 16,500btu reverse cycle mermaid aircon because it supports a 208/230V 50/60htz voltage option but we also like a two Espar diesel heaters setup that use almost no electrical power and can be used anywhere anytime. If we don't go with the Espar's we will need something to heat the boat in the winter and it's nice to be able to get some of the moisture out. The Chris White design is a very fast and light cruising cat - weight is the enemy. However, this is a big boat and should be able to accommodate another 100 lbs here and there.

If if were your boat, what would you do for heat/aircon?

Possibilities include:
2 diesel heaters, 2 big aircon units (with or without reverse cycle)
2 diesel heaters, 1 big aircon unit
1 diesel heater for forward staterooms and head, 1 small aircon for stateroom
2 diesel heaters no aircon
1 diesel heater no aircon
1 big aircon no diesel heater
1 big aircon (reverse cycle), 1 smail aircon for stateroom inverter based, no diesel heater

Previous owners have gone with the 2 diesel heaters only more often than not. ]]> Multihull Sailboats Agility http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/air-conditioning-go-big-small-or-skip-it-altogether-33094.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/catana-471-owners-33084.html Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:56:14 GMT We are considering buying a Catana 471 for a live aboard boat. The owners version 471 looks good on paper but we have never been aboard one. Pictures... We are considering buying a Catana 471 for a live aboard boat. The owners version 471 looks good on paper but we have never been aboard one. Pictures are nice but nothing beats seeing a boat in person. The boat we are looking at is in the Caribbean and before we fly down to have a look we were hoping to see a 471 locally. Is there any Catana 471 owners on the east coast of the USA that could give us a 10 cent tour? We are in Florida and are heading up the east coast next week. Any comments on the good or bad of the 471 would be appreciated also. Thanks to all in advance.

Chuck ]]> Multihull Sailboats boskypilot http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/catana-471-owners-33084.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/cross-38-removing-mizzen-33058.html Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:24:37 GMT I am considering removing the mizzen from my Cross 38. I would like to put an arch on the rear deck the mizzen is in the way of everything. Not only... I am considering removing the mizzen from my Cross 38. I would like to put an arch on the rear deck the mizzen is in the way of everything. Not only that I don't use it much. Seems like an extra appendage. Also it just takes a lot of room. Probably would be a weight reduction of around 200 lbs or so.
From another web sight I read Jeff Turner is not returning email for what ever reason. So the question is should I just leave the main mast where it is and lengthen the boom? Or move the mast to the cutter position. I have a neighbor with a 38 rigged as a sloop/cutter version of this boat. I had a lengthy discussion with John Marples about the lowers interfering with the main and he was of the opinion it would be fine to move them. We also talked about the mizzen, his suggestion was to remove it. Thought I might bounce this off the group before I spend time and money on this project.


sarge ]]> Multihull Sailboats Red Horse http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/cross-38-removing-mizzen-33058.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/warning-for-fountain-pajot-owners-32993.html Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:55:05 GMT My husband and I were sailing in our FP Belize, off the coast of TX in about 6 meters of water, wind blowing around 15 knots with 4-6 foot seas when... My husband and I were sailing in our FP Belize, off the coast of TX in about 6 meters of water, wind blowing around 15 knots with 4-6 foot seas when our rudder "cable" snapped. We were attempting to tack for the 3rd time. The first 2 we were using the auto tack and we kept stalling. My husband is new to sailing so I was determined to move the boat with just the wind so we could practice rather than turn on an engine. The 3rd time I turned the wheel by hand and it just kept turning. Realizing the cable had snapped I fired up the engines only to turn in circles. We had no idea where the emergency rudder was on the boat (we bought her in May) so we tied the rudder bar from each engine compartment to the stern cleats. It took us a couple of tries before we got the rudders straight. I was then able to motor us back through the jetty to the marina and into our slip. Once there, we contacted the previous owner to see if he knew where the emergency rudder was. He described it and my husband then knew where it was hidden in the anchor locker. When we tried to open the access plates the were corroded closed. My husband pulled the storage compartment that gives access to the steering "cable" to find that it wasn't a cable at all but a piece of rope the size of my pinky! It was so worn in other spots that when you ran your fingers over it it would shed dust. I'm surprised it hadn't snapped before. We tried to contact FP to see if they had a replacement cable and never received a reply. We went to the hardware store and bought some stainless steel cable and replaced it. I would suggest if you own a Fountain Pajot you check to make sure your rudder cable is actually a cable and not a thin piece of rope. MeckDC ]]> Multihull Sailboats MeckDC http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/warning-for-fountain-pajot-owners-32993.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/selling-canadian-boat-to-a-german-national-working-in-florida-on-a-b2-visa-32988.html Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:40:14 GMT Is there a legal way of doing this sale?The baoat will be handed over in the Gulf,and the new guy will sail it to the Bahamas! What type of Bill... Is there a legal way of doing this sale?The baoat will be handed over in the Gulf,and the new guy will sail it to the Bahamas!

What type of Bill of Sale,how can he prove HIS ownership,and removing mine from it,freeing me from any ongoing liabilities related to the boat's ownership?

(He's trying to complicate things,by suggesting he'd form a Canadian Corporation,and have ME as a Canadian partner.I don't want THAT....but he's trying to keep the Canadian
Flag flying off it's stern,instead of a German flag.
What can I do....to avoid any ongoing exposure to future liabilities? ]]> Multihull Sailboats Russ H http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/selling-canadian-boat-to-a-german-national-working-in-florida-on-a-b2-visa-32988.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/windrider-vs-getaway-32949.html Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:40:35 GMT I have been 'hankering' for a toy beach cat type boat for some time. Something two of us and a dog could use to scoot around between islands here, that we could keep on a trailer in the yard. I have been looking at the rotomolded Hobie Getaways for some time, and just today after reading comments from trimaran fans, the Windrider 17.

We plan to buy a used Gemini 105 ( or rough equivalent) in the next year, but I still want something I can run down to a boat ramp and take off with on a nice day. The ability to stow some stuff out of the spray in the Windrider looks interesting.

Any thoughts on the relative merits of these two boats, or suggestions for something similar? A multihull daysailer. I have Hobie experience, but have never sailed on a tri. ]]> Multihull Sailboats Canibul http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/windrider-vs-getaway-32949.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/pier-77-wide-catamaran-haulouts-32938.html Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:15:47 GMT We just had a great experience with a very professional cruiser friendly boat yard in the Galveston area called Pier 77. They did exactly what we... We just had a great experience with a very professional cruiser friendly boat yard in the Galveston area called Pier 77. They did exactly what we needed done, gave us a fair budgetary estimate which they then proceeded to stay within, all while allowing us access and the freedom to do part of the work ourselves. There are very few places that can haul a wide catamaran like our Crowther 47, the Frances Mae but their 25 ' wide slip and Travlelift did the job with ease. Very professional operation. Sailboat and Powerboat friendly. I highly recommend them if you need a bottom job or haulout in the East Texas area.

Jason and Shelley Mart s/v Frances Mae ]]> Multihull Sailboats hang5 http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/pier-77-wide-catamaran-haulouts-32938.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/bmw-oracle-remasted-32918.html Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:41:34 GMT Ok, brace yourselves (assuming it's still live) ...

Morning News - fox5sandiego.com

this is what happens when, as Robert Frost once said, you play tennis with the net down. ]]> Multihull Sailboats sneuman http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/bmw-oracle-remasted-32918.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/catana-581-cleats-32897.html Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:17:13 GMT Hello to everyone,

I have a Catana 581 '02 and I'm looking for a pair of cleats but it's impossible to find the same type. The deck cleats have three holes and are made from a crame of aluminium (not inox). They should be of heavy duty, however, the one cracked from the swell. Does someone knows a provider of three hole cleats or of the specific ones? Thanks in advance

Yiorgos ]]> Multihull Sailboats Yiorgos http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/catana-581-cleats-32897.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/the-future-of-catamarans-32890.html Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:08:44 GMT I'm just curious about where everyone here thinks catamarans are headed in the next 10 or 15 years. The more I read, the more I see that the quality and quantity of cats has increased quite a bit in the last 10-15 years. It seems there are more cruisers switching to multihulls than to monohulls.

What's in store for them in the future in terms of quality, price, and availability? Will an average Joe be eventually able to afford one in the way one can afford a monohull? Or will the price increase because of a greater demand?

I've been interested in sailing all my life, and at some point I want to either circumnavigate or do some extensive cruising in the south pacific and caribbean. I have a long time before this dream becomes a reality, so that's why I'm interested in the future. ]]> Multihull Sailboats iamsosmrt http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/the-future-of-catamarans-32890.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/urgent-need-propeller-for-40-hp-yanmar-my-3jh4ce-fp-belize-43-a-32861.html Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:49:04 GMT The Belize 43 FP i have bay need 2 new propeller for 2 new engine 40 hp Yanmar mod. MY 3JH4CE. The Italian Importer do not sell this kind of... The Belize 43 FP i have bay need 2 new propeller for 2 new engine 40 hp Yanmar mod. MY 3JH4CE. The Italian Importer do not sell this kind of propeller :confused:

URGENT REPLAY !!

Do sombody know the exact tipe of propeller i need?

Tankyou in advance.
Gianni

Sorry for my englisch i am italian. ]]> Multihull Sailboats schipperaccio http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/urgent-need-propeller-for-40-hp-yanmar-my-3jh4ce-fp-belize-43-a-32861.html http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/the-ultimate-bluewater-cruiser-32858.html Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:40:08 GMT We have sailed the South Pacific on our Lagoon 380, but are now looking to the future and our next boat (it's always fun to do that). Here are my top considerations for the perfect 42-44 foot cruiser that packs together performance and comfort for the best price (nothing bigger or smaller please).

What I need help with is the construction quality and long term hold up of the following manufactuers. Can anyone help me better understand the production techniques they use and why they are better? This seems to be the big mystery out there, so any help would be appreciated. With that said, here is my list:

Lagoon 420
Pros: Amazing interior space and comfort. The fly bridge design moves the helm out of the cockpit, increasing entertaining space. The beds extend into the bridgedeck, increasing interior room. The vertical windows in the salon allow for great visibility from inside and keep the sun out in tropical climates. Like having the galley up with sliding window design.
Cons: The downsides are that the flybridge is bad in anything but the best weather and it moves the mainsail up, decreasing square footage and rigidity. The hull is ugly! The bridgedeck clearance is extremely low, increasing pounding and long term wear on hulls. Some production quality concerns relating to hull construction.

Catana 41
Pros: The Catana Cats are built with bluewater sailing in mind and show it. The beds are integrated into the hull, not the bridgedeck, keeping clearance high over the water. The dagger boards allow for good sailing performance to windward and reduce the draft to just two feet. Their are two helm stations aft on the deck level, good for checking sail trim, docking and for increasing cockpit entertainment space. And production quality seems geared for off-shore conditions. Galley is also up.
Cons: The downside is they look kind of ugly and the interior room is not as spacious as that of a Lagoon (its a trade off). The salon windows allow light to enter, heating up the boat. Visibility from inside is also limited by comparison.

Nautitech 42
Pros: The integrated bimini is one of the better looking designs available. Similar to the Catana, the beds are part of the hull keeping bridge deck clearance high (although not quite as high as the Catana) and the aft located double helm stations increase cockpit entertainment room. Again, galley is up. Price is right.
Cons: There are no dagger boards, so windward performance is limited and draft is increased. I know very little about their production and build quality. Fewer available.

Alliaura / Privilege 44
Pros: Maybe unfair to include a 44 footer, but this is the smallest boat available from Privilege, which has a long history of making bluewater boats. Fit and finish is excellent, maybe the best of all listed here. Design is efficient and includes galley up. Production quality is assumed good.
Cons: Helm station is in the cockpit, limiting room for outside entertaining compared to the above (although larger size makes for a comparable space). Draft is deep for a cat. Price is one of the highest. Window design allows in light during the day, heating up the interior.

Antares 44i:
Pros: Similar to Privilege, unfair to compare a 44, but again the smallest available and a very very good history of making bluewater boats. Great fit and finish, excellent resale value (none available on the market, says a lot).
Cons: Galley is down. Heavy and comparatively slow for its size. Huge hulls, lots of windage. Helm again in cockpit, limiting room for entertaining, although a 44 footer. Price is one of the highest.

Thoughts please? ]]> Multihull Sailboats 3Eagles http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/the-ultimate-bluewater-cruiser-32858.html